MBB: Landmark Conference

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 09:20:44 AM

Ashworth - well done. Anytime a landmark player gets national recognition, got to love it.

Now here is why my karma is negative 3000.

Ashworth is a shooting guard. not a point guard. today, Majors is 10 times the POINT GUARD Ashworth is, not player but point guard.

Regardless, hats off. Good luck on advancing.

kdb0031 · December 22, 2009, 11:20:45 AM

hoopit123, You are right about banzhof. His game was never all that impressive to me. I guess i just figured he was a shoe-in because of his numbers. So here is my updated list:

1-Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Patch
4- Cannon/Cuff
5-Bicknell

I guess it is easy to tell from the above list that I'm an SU fan, but Im always curious to see what SU guys are doing after they graduate. What are Robinson, Cuff, Patch etc. up to now??

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 12:33:50 PM

Banshift has been carrying the program for years. Yes, the CUA guys are fast as lightning to let us know everytime the kid does something, but he still he is a major impact player. At the end of the day, give the man his due as arrogant as some might see the CUA program.

hoopit123 · December 22, 2009, 01:40:26 PM

you just cant sell me on banzhaf. sure, he can score the basketball, but aside from that? he puts up big scoring numbers at times, and it earns him recognition. but i feel most of that comes from those who just read whats on paper and not in person. i am not taking anything away from him, he does some pretty impressive things, but there is a difference between being a great scorer and a great basketball player. and the latter i feel is what he is not. unless things are different this year as they have yet to come to selinsgrove, the entire team revolves around feeding him the ball in the post. he catches in the post, turns and scores. while this is good for a big goofy center type, banzhaf is not that. as a small forward, he needs to be more versatile...coming off screens, setting screens for others, making cuts through the lane. while he gets away with how he plays against most teams, he runs into great problems against a player considerably taller than him. case in point: paul hawk. to my understanding, he was a non-factor against scranton last year, for as we probably all have witnessed, hawk with his hands straight up in the paint looks like telephone pole placed there. and the funny part is, they were still close games!! banzhaf shut down allowed/forced the other players on the team to step up and show their stuff and play their own game. therefore, my question: is centering your entire team around one focal point worth it? its tougher to beat 5 than 1.

in summary, there is no doubt that banzhaf is a great scorer and a good all-around player, but there are certainly parts of his game that, i feel, are lacking for a player receiving all-american attention.

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 02:02:46 PM

Older guys owned Baznoff from Scranton as a fresh and soph. Let's see what happens this year. I have a feeling he is better suited for scranton as a jr thewn against experienced seniors.

More importantly, pr...baby.

NEPAFAN · December 22, 2009, 02:25:17 PM

Quote from: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
Older guys owned Baznoff from Scranton as a fresh and soph. Let's see what happens this year. I have a feeling he is better suited for scranton as a jr thewn against experienced seniors.

More importantly, pr...baby.

Okay, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but can you spell Banzhaf's name correctly? (Forgive me if it is your attempt at humor, if so it is mildly amusing) Every post you have a new spelling. I also need a translator for this post, I have no idea what you are trying to say....which is pretty bad when we a conference of like minded institutions.

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 03:54:27 PM

Clarification purposes:

Banzhiff had difficulty against Scranton's veteran frontcourt. I am going to say he will have a much easier time this year and next know that he is a junior. You can't expect a freshman big man to take over like he normally did against veteran big guys that were all conference.

Any update on the CUA players that transferred out. Are they playing anywhere?

I would be surprised if he didnt win player of the year this season.

NEPAFAN · December 22, 2009, 04:00:45 PM

Quote from: ronk on December 21, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
Congrats to the Royals' Zach Ashworth upon being named 1 of 72(across all 3 Divisions, 9 in D3) finalists for the Hall of Fame Bob Cousy award for point guards. And, I consider him to be even better at the 2- guard position.

Ronk,

How is the winner of the Cousy Award determined?

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 04:59:10 PM

I find it hard to believe majors isnt a top 75 pg in the d3 nation.

ronk · December 22, 2009, 05:10:22 PM

susiddad,
It's 9 players in d3; the 72 is across all 3 divisions - 63 are from D1 & D2.

NEPA,
from Kevin Southard's announcement:

The 72 finalists will be narrowed down to 20 by January 1, 10 by February 1 and five by March 1. The eventual winner of the 2010 Bob Cousy Award will be honored at the Hall of Fame's Class Announcement in Indianapolis as part of NCAA Final Four weekend on Monday, April 5.

BCannon · December 22, 2009, 08:30:51 PM

Nice recognition for Ashworth...i kno it would be a simple google search problly to find but is there a link to a site where we can see the other candidates...i remember Arnold was also a Cousy Finalist.

I think Merch Marine at this pt would be a good choice for league favorite...think I saw Scanton lost two in a row going into break.. Susqu played St Mary's very tough and held in my opinion one of if not the best backcourt in the mid atlantic in check..JC seems to like playing home games and loathe playing away

As for MM Coach...I think you make a good case for him, however IMO I think they are the most talented/deep team in the league this yr. They lack a "Star" perhaps such as Banzhaf Ashworth Spencer, but they have a number of guys who can have a big game any given night...Samuels was my preseason pick for POY last yr, I think if MM wins the league he will have a huge hand in them doing so and perhaps my pick will come a yr later.

BCannon · December 22, 2009, 08:40:38 PM

As for JB I don't understand the criticism...If he is scoring with his back to the basket why would he stop? Guy just goes with what works... His shooting percentages FG FT and 3PT reflect a well rounded offensive game to me..

In 4 career games as a Freshman and Sophomore vs Susqu U JB avgs 20 ppg and 8.75 rebs ... pretty good for a guy you all don't find to be that impressive

susiddad · December 22, 2009, 11:36:20 PM

TO be clear. Despite my jokes and so forth, I named him a top 5 player in landmark history. the others have all finished their senior seasons. bansoft is still a junior.

I am puzzled at SU this season. There is a different starting lineup every night. Has to be puzzling as far as roles go for the players. Which tells me that the coach is probably twice as puzzled at this.

This should be a veteran team, but a lot of the upperclassmen that played last year must be doing something wrong as they are losing minutes to freshman. Have to at least pretend to trust someone other than Majors and Spenser. Must be Ferko setting the lineup from aways away.

Also, SU lost a couple of players from last year? Where is Cosgrove and Kerwin? Hard to develop chemistry with freshman and transfers.

Matt Letourneau · December 22, 2009, 11:56:30 PM

This board does get amusing at times...I swear, some of you just hold it against Jason that I pushed him for POY...as if he had anything to do with that!

Susdad--I honestly don't even know who you keep talking about? Nobody of any significance transferred from CUA last year. A couple of years ago they lost a few guys, none of which were for academic or basketball reasons. Suffice to say there was a recession and I know that in 2 of those cases, the guys ended up at less expensive institutions which was not an accident. I think only one of those guys is still playing and has been decently effective, but not the player I thought he'd be, most likely because he couldn't ever get himself in good enough condition.

Anyway, I'm not sure I understand the arguments that Jason's not a dominant player--one of which is apparently that the offense ran around him last year, which is supposedly a negative--completely nonsensical because it meant that he was constantly facing double and even triple teams.

In any case, an overlooked part of Jason's game is that he can shoot. If you don't respect him on the perimeter, he can bury you--he shot 45% from 3 last year (65 attempts). He's an excellent free throw shooter (no small thing for a guy that gets fouled so much) and a good rebounder, even over taller guys. He's a dominant player, period.

Hoopit, in Jason's trip to Selinsgrove last year, he put up 23 points and 7 boards. What more do you want? Keep in mind, a) he's been an underclassman, and b) he's been the main scoring option for a team that didn't have a lot of them.

This year, Catholic's developing some more threats. As I said, Jason's numbers might end up dipping a little bit as others get more involved, but there's not a coach in division 3 that wouldn't saliviate over him.

hoopit123 · December 23, 2009, 02:41:23 AM

no matt, i dont believe it has anything to do with you last year. how many people country wide score 18-20 ppg?? a lot. there needs to be more to make a player above the rest. also, you mentioned something about JB giving it to banzhaf...case in point! SU didnt have a true big center. my point was JB vs. scranton. and you dont seem to have a counter against that. and to further your OWN point, watching the game against SU i noticed he just sat on the block and cleaned up scraps from other players, including owning our center on the boards. looking at numbers its easy to understand why. our center did not avg. many rebs/game, while patch our 4-man did. this is not at all the point i was intending to prove...it appears you have sidestepped the entire argument...it had nothing to do with SU. it has more to do with weapons, nationwide, that the landmark lacks... and therefore nationwide recognition is hard to fathom.

until i am convinced at what more JB does to better his TEAM, i will not be cave. i truly believe cua has a NUMBER of good players, which could be better utilized and could further their program if they were allowed to play to their potential and not have just one objective in mind. if they are so satisfied with the status quo of mediocre seasons, then perhaps they should continue. but i doubt that is the case. you say cua has opened up their options this year, truly for cua sake, i hope so!