MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Any D3 historians know the record for negative karma points?

I feel like the non-competitive teams in the leandmark of posters.

You should venture out of this board sometime. You are not even close to the biggest negative numbers.

[susiddad]

If I keep winning and building this board up, maybe I'll venture into another one or two.  Let's keep this one going. 

It was too long ago we only had a SU poster lecturing me on telling the truth.   

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!

It wasn't too long ago the dean of the boards was telling me to calm down for comments about my alma mater and our rival!!!

Look how far we have come.  Midnight posts from Letourneau!

The Scranton folks are coming back to live, granted with their usual negativity, but there is life here.  Wait till we are in the heart of the season. 

I would like board MIP.  There, I said it. 

[Matt Letourneau]

If I keep winning and building this board up, maybe I'll venture into another one or two.  Let's keep this one going. 

It was too long ago we only had a SU poster lecturing me on telling the truth.   

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!

It wasn't too long ago the dean of the boards was telling me to calm down for comments about my alma mater and our rival!!!

Look how far we have come.  Midnight posts from Letourneau!

The Scranton folks are coming back to live, granted with their usual negativity, but there is life here.  Wait till we are in the heart of the season. 

I would like board MIP.  There, I said it. 

You haven't been around here long enough.  10 years ago, midnight posts from me were the norm!  So were long posts and heated arguments.

1 wife, 2 kids, and 4 jobs later....things change.

[Pat Coleman]

So were long posts and heated arguments.

And gripes about officiating.

[TheGrove]

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!

That's TheGrove to you!

Sorry to disappoint, but I spent my holidays away from the computer.

[susiddad]

You were missed as much as the refs who do Catholic games.

Can't wait to head there this year and see them   

23-12 ft's vs. desales.
20-11 ft's vs. regis
only close home games this year....

and SU's lsat 2 trips there go as follows:

18-5 ft's vs. Susquehanna!!!!  - howe's that even possible?
24-7 ft's vs. Susquehanna!!!! - and still lost!


Gimme a break this weekend please.

[susiddad]

Any way we can take 17 points from our 30 pt victory over Goucher and add them to our CUA score?

[cugrad]

19 of those free throws came in the final 4 minutes of that game after Catholic had built an 11 point lead. 

[lefty2]

19 of those free throws came in the final 4 minutes of that game after Catholic had built an 11 point lead. 

Don't try to use common sense to ruin a good conspiracy theory.

[Matt Letourneau]

So were long posts and heated arguments.

And gripes about officiating.

That too...and mostly legit ones at that!

Seriously...I'm sure there's still plenty of bad officiating, but its nowhere near as consistantly awful as it was back in those CAC days.  I don't recognize a lot of the refs now...and that's a good thing.  I suspect some of those officials retired, others just aren't doing CUA games anymore.  

Nice job trying to lay the groundwork there Sus...just in case Susquehanna loses, you're planting the "blame the refs" seed.  

There...midnight posts two days in a row.  (I'm in the central time zone tonight).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Matt (and others) - some refs have moved on... there are new ones in the mix... and I know that the local "heads" of officiating are doing their best to move their guys around, make sure ones who have done games with some teams aren't repeating too much, and the crews that work best try and work together more often occasion.

I actually have had some long talks with some of the refs I know in the region and there is a conserted effort to improve officiating not just in our area, but overall. However, there are still limitations. Refs you see in York you aren't likely to see in DC simply because of travel and the expenses that are incured.

I would say that officiating in this region (Northern Virginia to Mid-Pennsylvania) has improved dramatically in the last few years. That isn't to say there still aren't some refs who need to either go, improve, or stop being stubburn about change (i.e. refs need to now use both hands to indicate the player's number for a foul, some simply won't do it. That actually became a problem for me and the rest of the crew working the table at a Goucher game - but that is another story for another time). Change is good.

[susiddad]

Hey there's mystique in some gyms.  I get it.  Not blaming the refs at all.  Only makes you look worse.  There are some places where it is heavily swayed and I am ok with it.  Refs admit to being homer's after all if you get them in a private moment every know and then.  They are human.  SU has been the beneficiary of some human refs before too.

That being said, the Catholic and Scranton refs have always been a little more human in those gyms than any other I have seen.  At Catholic for non-conference home games the refs will wear Matt Hilleary throwback jersey's. 

Also, if anyone has an extra 6 to 8 hours to themselves, you might want to read the Steve Howes bio on the CUA site. 
Chapter 1: Crowning Glory

[NEPAFAN]

Hey there's mystique in some gyms.  I get it.  Not blaming the refs at all.  Only makes you look worse.  There are some places where it is heavily swayed and I am ok with it.  Refs admit to being homer's after all if you get them in a private moment every know and then.  They are human.  SU has been the beneficiary of some human refs before too.

That being said, the Catholic and Scranton refs have always been a little more human in those gyms than any other I have seen.  At Catholic for non-conference home games the refs will wear Matt Hilleary throwback jersey's. 

Also, if anyone has an extra 6 to 8 hours to themselves, you might want to read the Steve Howes bio on the CUA site. 
Chapter 1: Crowning Glory

You sound like the legendary poster and another Pat Coleman favorite,  Cold Case.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

susiddad - if you look at refs through your school's colored glasses... sure refs look like they might be homers - though I HIGHLY doubt any of them have told you they are homers, even if in private. My private conversations would reveal the exact opposite and I know any ref with a "link" or connection to a school doesn't work those games.

Don't be confused between a style of game that refs in the DC region call versus Scranton area refs call or those in the upper New Jersey region. The Landmark Conference's advantage/disadvantage is that games are played in many different ref regions, thus you get different kind of games called.

Best example I can give you... the Final Four features many different ref teams from many different regions... they do NOT all call the same type of game. Just like individual refs call different games then their partners. The good refs call it consistently the same and don't get caught up in anything to sway them... the bad refs (and there some) are completely inconsistent and you just have to deal with it and adjust your game accordingly.

[NEPAFAN]

susiddad - if you look at refs through your school's colored glasses... sure refs look like they might be homers - though I HIGHLY doubt any of them have told you they are homers, even if in private. My private conversations would reveal the exact opposite and I know any ref with a "link" or connection to a school doesn't work those games.

Don't be confused between a style of game that refs in the DC region call versus Scranton area refs call or those in the upper New Jersey region. The Landmark Conference's advantage/disadvantage is that games are played in many different ref regions, thus you get different kind of games called.

Best example I can give you... the Final Four features many different ref teams from many different regions... they do NOT all call the same type of game. Just like individual refs call different games then their partners. The good refs call it consistently the same and don't get caught up in anything to sway them... the bad refs (and there some) are completely inconsistent and you just have to deal with it and adjust your game accordingly.

Dave,


Are there only D3 refs? Or do they do high school as well? Or all three divisions of college basketball?