MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

"The clock" is for scholarship levels. It doesn't apply to Division III. If someone isn't enrolled full-time, they do not use a semester of eligibility.

[ronk]

"The clock" is for scholarship levels. It doesn't apply to Division III. If someone isn't enrolled full-time, they do not use a semester of eligibility.

What if they are enrolled full-time? Scranton has at least 1 player on the women's side who hasn't played for 3 semesters, treating and recovering from an injury, but who's been attending school full-time(presumably). Is the clock ticking(5 semesters left) or not(6 semesters left) for her. She played 1 full year before injury. 

[saratoga]

The NCAA did away with the old 5 years to play 4 several years ago.
Currently, student-athletes have 10 semesters to use up their eligibility.
Therefore, as in the case of the Wilkes player, the student-athlete can play 2 years...take a few years off & come back.
Not sure why this twist on the D-I version was proposed & accepted by D-III member institutions.

[ronk]

 10 semesters of attending classes?  The Scranton player would have 5 semesters left for 3 years of bball; the Wilkes guy didn't attend during his bball inactivity; so he'd have 6 semesters left for his final 2 years of bball, if I got u right.

[Matt Letourneau]

Got a chance to see Catholic play today--wow.  They beat Denison 77-35.  I don't think I've ever seen that kind of margin of victory from a Catholic team, at least that I can recall.  Catholic really looked good on both ends of the floor.  (I don't care who you are playing, that is an impressive margin of victory, and they pulled the starters fairly early.)

Kearney's put it all together and is now a dominant big man who basically has to be doubled.  Limberiou was absolutely ridiculous, at one point in the 2nd half he hit 3's on basically 5 straight possessions over a 3:49 stretch, a bunch of them from way back.   He also had 13 rebounds.  Reminded me a lot of Scott Fumai, who used to have stretches like that where he'd be feeling it and nailing everything.  Limberiou finished with 27, 7-10 from 3.  When Kearney is doubled, they've got other options, including dangerous shooters.  They're also getting some very good minutes from freshman...I think that's really been the key.  Good to see them come out of the break at full speed.

[TheGrove]

What, no Banzhaf?  (sorry Matt, I couldn't resist.)

An early Happy New Year to my Landmark Conference friends!

[saratoga]

Ronk:
I believe that's how it's viewed.
Kids that stay in school but stop playing are actually penalized more (from a purely athletic standpoint), than those that drop out, re-enroll & start playing again.
Wish I had more info as to why DIII went this route over the old 5 to play 4.

[cold_case]

Ronk:
I believe that's how it's viewed.
Kids that stay in school but stop playing are actually penalized more (from a purely athletic standpoint), than those that drop out, re-enroll & start playing again.
Wish I had more info as to why DIII went this route over the old 5 to play 4.

D-III has nothing to do with it. It's the NCAA. My point is that the guy is 28. At that age, he should be out working and perhaps taking part-time classes. Instead, the guy is probably full-time. And, after years of landing transfers, are you surprised it's Wilkes?

[NEPAFAN]

+1 for the Banzhaf reference.


Royals appear to be healthy again, let's see if they can get on a role.

[Matt Letourneau]

Even without Jason...hey, he was a very good offensive player, one of the best ever in the young history of this conference!

Catholic beat Husson 82-49 to win their tournament.  They're really coming out of the gate strong after the Christmas break. Congratulations to senior Shawn Holmes who scored his 1,000 point during the game.

[Pat Coleman]

It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

[cold_case]

It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

Not many people post on "your" site. Keep chasing them away....

[Pat Coleman]

It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

Not many people post on "your" site. Keep chasing them away....

You keep saying that but I am not sure one or two more departures would be missed. If it's not enjoyable for you to post here, don't do it. Life's too short. I don't think your posting here is particularly enjoyable for others.

[saratoga]

Pat:
Absolutely correct.
Each division of the NCAA proposes & then votes on various by-laws each year.
Those decisions are then placed before the Presidents committee for final consideration & adoption.
I would think your reasoning as to why the timeline was extended at the DIII level is as plausible as any.

[Pat Coleman]

It's a common misconception that the NCAA staff makes the rules. Not the case.