MBB: Landmark Conference

[Hooper]

While I agree in principle, there has always been room for people like Knight. You may not like his demeanor, but he is a great Coach.  As a player, you have to know what you are getting into with every Coach.  A Coaches "public persona" is not necessarily how they are behind closed doors or in practice.   Guys like Creen, Izzo are tough on players.   So are many others...  Coack K is a Bob Knight disciple.  Listen to Coach K's comments on Knight.  They are a glowing endorsement of the man. 

The difference in D3 is that a Coach has no "scholarship" to hang over a players head.  A D3 player can choose not to play or transfer with no recourse.  D3 is a different animal from a Coaching perspective with players. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Its the difference between shame and anger.  I do think most kids expect their coaches to be angry now and then (and I know very few coaches who aren't), but there's no longer real acceptance for a coach to use shame as a motivator.  That's really at least what the rumors are here - the same way they were with Sheryl Swoopes at Loyola.  Kids have been upset by abusive behavior meant to induce shame as a means of change.  That used to be widely acceptable in society and especially in sports.  It's just not anymore. It's easy for a coach, especially a coach who's been at it a long time, to cross that line.

Again, I have no inside info on Lonergan, so I don't want to cast aspersions - I just wanted to point out the distinction between a kid who won't take criticism and one who won't suffer abuse.  It's a distinction even beyond what style people respond to - there are plenty of kids who don't mind being yelled at for motivation, but it sure does matter what's being said during the yelling.

I imagine it's a difficult line for coaches to walk, which is why you're seeing so many of these stories pop up in recent years.

[NEPAFAN]

There is a report on twitter that Corey Standford has transferred out of Catholic to TCNJ.

[Matt Letourneau]

Word coming out of DC today seems to indicate that former CUA Head Coach Mike Lonergan may be in some hot water for apparently being
"verbally & emotionally abusive" to current and past players at George Washington Univ.

Article goes on to say that he has lost 3 kids to transfer in each of the past 4 years and 1 after his first season.
Losing 13 kids in 5 years is stuff the other coaches love to discuss when recruiting.

Based upon what Charles has stated recently regarding the current CUA coach having a hard time keeping kids...perhaps the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

What?  Come on, that's garbage.  You're better than that.

First of all, I have no idea what Lonergan did or didn't do, but the transfer rates tell you nothing--there's been a huge uptick in transfers across the board, and those GW numbers aren't unusual.  We'll see what transpires in this case, but Lonergan was at Catholic for a long time. He was intense and sometimes fiery, but he knew where the line was and I know a lot of former players who would bust a wall for him.

As far as "the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree"--if that is supposed to mean that maybe there is some kind of abuse of players going on at Catholic, that's complete BS and has no place on this board.  Coach Howes and Coach Lonergan have very different personalities--if you've watched them coach you know that. That's not even a whiff of that around Coach Howes and never has been. 

I think its hard to keep players at this level, especially if they aren't playing a lot.  Catholic brings a lot of talented guys in every year and some of them don't play.  Just in terms of sheer numbers, they have a big roster and a lot of recruits every year.  Eventually some of them work their way into the rotation--we saw that this past year--and some of them don't.  We're not in practice every day and we don't know exactly what's happening. 

We'll see what happens with Lonergan, he's been an incredible coach everywhere he's gone, and his programs have always had a family atmosphere around them.  Hopefully he will get the benefit of a fair and impartial investigation.  But don't go even go there and try to link any of that to Catholic or Coach Howes. 

[saratoga]

My comment (apple not far from the tree), was not to infer that the current CUA coach is verbally or emotionally abusive at all.
What I was referring to was the exodus of players from GWU (per the Post article for those specific reasons), and one that appears to be going on the past several years at CUA based upon the information posted by Charles (for whatever reasons).

It would seem that if what NEPA fan just posted is accurate regarding Stanford, then that exodus seems to continue & in this case, it would certainly not be for lack of playing time.

[CardsFan]

My comment (apple not far from the tree), was not to infer that the current CUA coach is verbally or emotionally abusive at all.
What I was referring to was the exodus of players from GWU (per the Post article for those specific reasons), and one that appears to be going on the past several years at CUA based upon the information posted by Charles (for whatever reasons).

It would seem that if what NEPA fan just posted is accurate regarding Stanford, then that exodus seems to continue & in this case, it would certainly not be for lack of playing time.

Corey Stanford is gone (personal reasons). It's not related to anything at Catholic.

[ronk]

Royals' schedule now posted on web page.

[NEPAFAN]

http://wnep.com/2016/08/13/sanctions-against-susquehanna-university-football-team/

I would have posted this on the Football board; but couldn't find the right place.


Self imposed sanctions for Susquehanna's football program. They are going to suspend the kid for 3 games, but keep his identity secret. How does that work?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

[NEPAFAN]

Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.

[saratoga]

How does a student & his family with an overdue bill of probably several thousand dollars not know someone bailed them out?

[Pat Coleman]

Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?

Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.

It's not difficult to figure out who it is but we'll know for sure when he doesn't play in the first game. In the end, it's Lopardo who is most at fault here and the name that should be highlighted.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?

Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.

It's not difficult to figure out who it is but we'll know for sure when he doesn't play in the first game. In the end, it's Lopardo who is most at fault here and the name that should be highlighted.

Correct on so many levels.

How does a student & his family with an overdue bill of probably several thousand dollars not know someone bailed them out?

The family clearly knows who paid the bill... I just won't speak for the student-athlete on if he knew. But the report clearly indicates one of the parents came directly to Lopardo about paying the tuition.

[Hooper42]

Way too early pre-season projections...
1. Susquehanna- played in 2 of the last 3 landmark title games, return good core group from last years nationally ranked team. Will need to replace Miller and Hedley
2. Juniata- return majority of team that qualified for Landmark Playoffs last season. Lee will lead the way coming off a 17 ppg and 6 rpg season.
3. Scranton- replacing All American Brendan Boken will be a challenge, Vitkus does appear to be a formidable replacement. Will be interesting to see how he performs when defenses are focused on him. Doolan and Danzig need to step up if team intends to return to NCAA tourney..
4. Catholic- defending champs lose 3 key guards to graduation (Fonville, and both Phanords) and forward Stanford to transfer. Howes will need some guys from his bench/incoming freshman to develop quickly to provide All conference forward Jay Howard with some help defending the title.
5.Moravian- returns their big 3 of Murray, Holder, and Mguire, 2nd year head coach Potts may have Greyhounds in race for playoffs in year 3
6. Drew- need to replace top 2 leading scorers for a chance to battle for playoff spot
7. Etown- Shlosser returns 3 leading scorers from last years squad, hoping to climb out of the basement of Landmark and return program to the glory years of early 2000s
8. Goucher- losing top 2 scorers to graduation,, the Gophers will look to improve on last years 10-15 record.

POY: Howard- CUA and or Weidlich- Sus
COY- Curley- Juniata does a great job of keeping program competitive year in and year out. Huntingdon Pa is not exactly a basketball hotbed