MBB: Landmark Conference

ronk · March 03, 2008, 11:02:45 PM

I almost got the daily double of the lady royals in the early game at Messiah and the men in the nitecap at Gburg. Could've seen the doubleheader since the schools are only 20 min apart; but I'll b happy with a short trip to see the men.

Dmac,
Did/could you archive the men's show today?

ronk · March 03, 2008, 11:18:28 PM

Dmac,
Sorry, just saw that you've already provided the link. and now I see the women are now hosting- must be because Rochester men have priority this year.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · March 04, 2008, 07:57:22 AM

The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.

Ralph Turner · March 04, 2008, 08:17:12 AM

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 04, 2008, 07:57:22 AM
The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.

The "last 25% of the schedule" wording is new to the 2008 Handbook. There is also the caveat that there must be approval from the Championships Committee.

cold_case · March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM

It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.

NEPAFAN · March 04, 2008, 09:48:37 AM

Interesting tidbit for the Scranton-Elms matchup

Elms
33 Chris Hartmann So. F 6-6 Canberra, Australia Canberra

Scranton
40 Tom Bicknell C 6-8 230 Sr. Melbourne, Australia/St. Bede's College

Wonder if they know each other from playgrounds of Australia!

Knightstalker · March 04, 2008, 10:11:55 AM

Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.

Moravian is a Pool B team, DeSales is not eligible for a pool B bid, DeSales should have won the conf tournament to assure a spot. When they did not win the conference they got placed into Pool C consideration and there were probably Mid-Atlantic teams ahead of them in the final regional rankings.

Matt Letourneau · March 04, 2008, 10:25:19 AM

Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.

Well, its not really that strange when you consider that comparing Moravian to any team other than a Pool B-eligible team is irrelevant. Moravian wasn't competing with DeSales for a spot. They were really only competing with Chapman.

The committee COULDN'T invite DeSales over Moravian. That wasn't the question before them.

cold_case · March 04, 2008, 10:27:36 AM

Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!

Knightstalker · March 04, 2008, 10:31:14 AM

Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament. Each region sent 8 teams. That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years. The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.

cold_case · March 04, 2008, 10:35:57 AM

Quote from: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:31:14 AM
Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament. Each region sent 8 teams. That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years. The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.

Wait a minute. Aren't you the Don Agricola fan??

Knightstalker · March 04, 2008, 10:50:35 AM

I watched him stumble back into his and my brothers room most nights when I was visiting my brother at Scranton. He was a nice guy but always drunk. Father Rock used to shake his head and wonder what he was going to do with that boy.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · March 04, 2008, 11:02:42 AM

Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!

cold_case... the Pools make sure that teams get an equal opportunity to get in. Pool B is for those conferences without AQ's who are transitioning to those automatic qualifications or completely independent teams. Pool A is obviously the AQ teams. And Pool C is everyone else.

I would say it isn't that fair for teams who are independents that can't schedule nearly as many teams late in the season because of conference play, to have their difficulties compared head to head with those with large conference schedules - more games sometimes. So, I have no problem with them getting a few bids on their own.

And as for DeSales... they had some really bad losses this season and if they truely deserved to be in the tournament, they should have won their conference title. They didn't; they weren't invited. They may have had a chance if some other teams far better than they had won their conference titles. They didn't; DeSales was still not invited.

As for Moravian, I have stated I am very surprised they got in. If they deserve to be there, they will easily beat John Jay (who won their conference, and the favorite there - York, NY- didn't get in either) and then maybe shock everyone and beat Amherst!

cold_case · March 04, 2008, 11:29:34 AM

Let's see here. Since 'stalker and Dave came on in the past hour I've lost two karma points. Gee, I wonder who took them?

Knightstalker · March 04, 2008, 11:34:35 AM

Nice unfounded accusation. I never take karma without telling the person. Maybe someone else took exception to your uninformed comments.