MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/

[jmcozenlaw]

York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/

Damn!!! For a solid academic, private school, THAT is unreal!! They don't need to 'package' much at all. They might very well be the least expensive (or near) school in the MAC when they come in shortly. Yikes!!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/

Damn!!! For a solid academic, private school, THAT is unreal!! They don't need to 'package' much at all. They might very well be the least expensive (or near) school in the MAC when they come in shortly. Yikes!!

The entire premise at YCP is that they don't charge more than basically the basic price. It isn't high and then they play games with the discounts and packages to make it seem like the costs are lower.

Albright announced they were moving to the same pricing idea just before YCP was announced was coming to the MAC (as I was able to confirm rather quietly LOL). That announcement was basically a significant hint that YCP was coming to the MAC for those of us following things.

When you start looking at discounts and packages at most schools, they start to get down to where YCP is. As one person told me at one of the schools mentioned here (paraphrasing): we just tell people we are telling you the truth on the cost of attending our college, not playing games to make you think that you are getting a discount on anything.

[Tim the Enchanter]

There has been a great deal of conversation among higher education bout the current tuition model and discount rate.  Neither of them are sustainable as the tuition has been increasing beyond inflation for several years, and many colleges are needing to discount at higher rates than they can afford to do.  Some colleges average over a 50% discount rate, with the thought that it's better to give them a little bit more and get half of the tuition than to not get it at all.

Several colleges have "reset" tuition in recent years to come to a model similar to York's.  Drew, Utica and Rosemont come to mind.  They will charge a lower sticker price but try to hold closer to that rather than give out scholarships that cover more than half of the original, higher tuition.  Some see this as a gimmick, and it's too recent to do a longitudinal study to see if that model is more or less sustainable as others.  So we'll see if this helps to keep colleges afloat who might be struggling financially.  Only time will tell.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There has been a great deal of conversation among higher education bout the current tuition model and discount rate.  Neither of them are sustainable as the tuition has been increasing beyond inflation for several years, and many colleges are needing to discount at higher rates than they can afford to do.  Some colleges average over a 50% discount rate, with the thought that it's better to give them a little bit more and get half of the tuition than to not get it at all.

Several colleges have "reset" tuition in recent years to come to a model similar to York's.  Drew, Utica and Rosemont come to mind.  They will charge a lower sticker price but try to hold closer to that rather than give out scholarships that cover more than half of the original, higher tuition.  Some see this as a gimmick, and it's too recent to do a longitudinal study to see if that model is more or less sustainable as others.  So we'll see if this helps to keep colleges afloat who might be struggling financially.  Only time will tell.

I think keeping schools afloat versus the recruiting game are two different animals. My reference was strictly to the recruiting side of things - thus why Albright went to the YCP model shortly before it was announced YCP was coming to the MACC.

But I do agree with your thinking that the cost of school, versus the tuition listed (sticker price in my book), versus what schools will need to do to stay afloat is going to be a very interesting discussion and something to watch.

[ronk]

I actually was president of the Pennsylvania Association for College Admission Counseling when the Department of Justice began investigating admissions profession's national Code of Ethics & Professional Practices (CEPP).  Basically, the DoJ believed that portions of  the CEPP violated anti-trust law and restricted competition.  As part of the agreement that the national association entered into, they eliminated three sections of the CEPP, including the restriction on knowingly recruiting students who had committed to another college.

Thus, while May 1 remains the National Candidate's reply deadline (the date by which students must notify colleges of their intent to enroll), colleges can now continue to recruit potential freshman after that point.  Similarly, colleges used to not be able to initiate contact with students at other colleges to entice transferring (students had to initiate that process); now colleges can.

This year, given the COVID-19 situation with colleges going to remote learning, the opportunities for students to visit in person was eliminated.  So high school students have been having difficulty making the most informed decision.  Recognizing that, many colleges have opted to push the enrollment deposit deadline back to June 1 or even later.   

As Ronk noted, many families' financial situations have changed, which is making enrollment this fall difficult.  Other students may not want to start in college right away since there is a strong likelihood that classes will start out remote in the fall.  Rather than do that, they would defer their enrollment until they are able to start up in person.  This is wreaking havoc on college's enrollment predictive modeling, and may require them to go deeper into their waitlist.  And given later enrollment deadlines, this could drag the process of enrolling their class deeper into the summer than usual. 

And if that weren't enough, if students do defer, that could mean fewer spots available for next year's freshmen (the current juniors). Or, going in the completely opposite direction:  colleges could severely under-enroll this fall and that would open up MORE spots for next year.  So both the class of 2020 and the class of 2021 are very anxious right now! 

Needless to say, this is a very complicated scenario, and this could have wide-ranging impact on colleges.  Many colleges who were already operating on razor-thin margins and were in danger of closing, could see an acceleration of their financial woes.  I've seen projections where as many as 20% of colleges may be forced to close in the aftermath of COVID-19.  I think that's a little high, and many colleges who might otherwise close will be able to act nimbly enough to keep their doors open.  At least I hope so, because the bulk of colleges affected will likely be the small, DIII colleges.

  With Scranton WBB announcing their incoming class yesterday, it occurred to me that there doesn't appear to be a significant difference between this change for college students in general and the NCAA regulation in particular wrt to NLIs for high school prospects and/or current college scholarship players. May the competition for prospects/players be waged ceaselessly now?

[Tim the Enchanter]

  With Scranton WBB announcing their incoming class yesterday, it occurred to me that there doesn't appear to be a significant difference between this change for college students in general and the NCAA regulation in particular wrt to NLIs for high school prospects and/or current college scholarship players. May the competition for prospects/players be waged ceaselessly now?

To my knowledge, the DoJ has not investigated the NCAA for possible anti-trust violations the way that they did the National Association for College Admission Counseling.  I wouldn't be surprised if that does happen, though...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

With the number of significant retirements on the men's side of Division III basketball, there is plenty to talk about in the month of May. Thus, we needed a "Part 2" this month.

On this "Hoopsville Podcast: May Edition (Part 2)", we talk about what is arguably one of the most significant retirement classes of coaches in the history of Division III - especially on the men's side of things.

Pat Coleman, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman join Dave McHugh to chat about those who retired, the number of wins and the high-level of success they had, and even if trying to have a Mt. Rushmore of DIII coaching who might be considered (some coaches you may have forgotten about are mentioned).

Plus - if not for the number of significant retirements, the biggest news in Division III off-season so far would likely be Eric Bridgeland picking up and moving to Southern California. Bridgeland joins Dave to talk about his Whitman program, the success, and the decision to start anew at Redlands and the SCIAC.

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[Tim the Enchanter]

2020 PG Nick Crowe from Devon Prep (where Jason Fisher is AD) commits to the Royals. 

https://twitter.com/DevonPrepBBall/status/1261743803226042370/photo/1

Let's hope he's the point guard this program needs!

[ronk]

 Good catch, Tim! Can't tell from his Hudl videos if he'll be the answer; the snippets are too short and show only driving/shooting, not ballhandling/dribbling/defense.

[NEPAFAN]

Looks like Fisher is coach too.

He's one of the toughest kids I've ever coached," Fisher said of Crowe. "He looks like he's still in grade school, but when he has the ball in his hands, he changes speeds so well, changes direction so well, and runs the team."

Thanks for the find!

[NEPAFAN]

2020 PG Nick Crowe from Devon Prep (where Jason Fisher is AD) commits to the Royals. 

https://twitter.com/DevonPrepBBall/status/1261743803226042370/photo/1

Let's hope he's the point guard this program needs!

Another PG has committed to Scranton Mater Dei's Tahaj Parland...

https://highschoolsports.nj.com/player/tahaj-parland

[ronk]

 Makes 4 newcomers - 3 frosh(F,PG(2)) and 1 Xfer(SG) for the Royals. Advocated for a W from my fitness center but haven't seen him since covid closed the center in March. Still hoping.

[Tim the Enchanter]

Makes 4 newcomers - 3 frosh(F,PG(2)) and 1 Xfer(SG) for the Royals. Advocated for a W from my fitness center but haven't seen him since covid closed the center in March. Still hoping.

Incoming class posted on twitter.  No reference to Crowe nor Ronk's wing...

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1266016696780959747

[ronk]

 I speculate that Crowe was missing because he doesn't have a hilite video, only individual snippets. Regardless, he still could have been mentioned.