MBB: Landmark Conference

[cold_case]

From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides

Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.

[susquejamma]

From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides

Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.

It was the former not the latter. My apologies, I didn't mean to offend. (After all, I'd be taking a shot at myself).

Down with Angelos.

[Matt Letourneau]

I didn't think there were any Orioles fans left.

Every time I go there to cheer for my Red Sox, I'm part of the raucus majority at Fenway South, er...Oriole Park at Camden Yards at pick a name already!

[diehardfan]

Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!!

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts. 

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now?

[Ralph Turner]

Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!!

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts. 

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now?

Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.

The Boston Red Sox.

[Matt Letourneau]

That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!

The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone.

But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.  Babe Ruth wasn't sold by Harry Frazee to finance a play.  He didn't die poor, either.  There's a lot of common misconceptions that make fun stories for the media, but aren't true.

But anyway, Orioles fans are few and far between these days.  I don't really blame them, but its pretty pathetic to go to a ballgame and get booed by fans of the opposing team in your own stadium.  I've been to games when its literally 75% Sox fans!

The Orioles are horribly mismanaged now.  They're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart.   Even the Blue Jays have improved some, overall the O's rotation is pretty bad.

I was at Cal Ripken's last game...it was against the Red Sox.  Brady Anderson struck out to end the game and deny Cal another at bat...fitting!  It was great to see, but I was never a particularly big Ripken fan.  No point in going into that debate, but lets just say that there came a point where I didn't think he was helping the Orioles anymore.

I don't like the Nationals either.  I've got one team, born and raised since the time I could comprehend such a thing.   My wife and I watch every game on satellite.  We take trips and see them on the road, even stay at their hotels.  We are definitely what you call diehards! I cried in 03 and, winning the World Series was one of the best events of my life--I'd probably say #1 is our baby, #2 is getting married, #3 is the Sox winning the Series.  Well, maybe something political in there too...

Oh, and Catholic winning the 01 NCAA's...SEE, back on topic!!!

[susquejamma]

Baltimore has some promise. It has a young rotation that, if it works to its potential, could shake some heads. Erik Bedard is one of the best young guns in the league, and if Daniel Cabrera gets his control down, he could be a 15-game winner.

Anyways, it's hard for any team to get fans with an owner as bad as Angelos. Hell, Expos' fans deserted Olympic Stadium when they traded away their best players. Same with Florida. Give Baltimore some credit for at least showing up. Fenway South is a falsehood. When Boston was sitting in third place behind Toronto in September, Oriole Park at Camden Yards, one of the few newer stadium to have a noncorporate ballpark name, was full of black-and-orange. (And the Red Sox fans that did show up were well-informed of their team's bandwagon fans).

The worst is going to a Yankee-Oriole weekend series and sitting in the cheap seats. As much as I hate pinstriped fans, props to the guy who started a "Get a fanbase" chant.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Had tickets to see one of Cal's last games.  Date on the ticket:  Sept 13th, 2001.  Needless to say, it got rescheduled.  Turned out to be part of Cal's final homestand.  Great to see the Legg Mason building lit up with a big 8.  That said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.

So, who out of Landmark made the dance?

[Matt Letourneau]

Yeah, that's what happened to us too--we had tickets for the last game of that series right after 9/11, which got pushed back to the end of the season.  Lots of people got screwed who had paid big bucks for what they thought was the last game of the season.  Earlier that year in Baltimore we also said Nomo pitch a no-hitter.

Catholic made the dance and is hosted a regional.

[TheGrove]

I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.

I say boot Angelos and sell the team to Cal. 

[Salem, VA]

Sorry to say it but the O's need to get rid of Angelos...They are in for another sorry 90 loss season...

[kitchenrat]

Landmark will be better than CAC, in my humble opinion.

I think the only way to settle the CAC vs Landmark debate (as far as basketball) is on the court. We need a Landmark vs CAC tourney to start the season off ala the ACC/Big 10 challenge. Here is how I see the break down using records for this year so far, I know That CUA, Hood, and VJC are still playing:

#1 Hood (21-7) vs #1 CUA (22-5)
#2 VJC (20-7) vs #2 Scranton (19-7)
#3 Mary Wash (16-10) vs #3 Susquehanna (16-10)
#4 York (16-10) vs #4 Juniata (16-11)
#5 St. Mary's (16-11) vs #4 Kings Point (14-12)
#6 MMU (14-11) vs #6 Moravian (11-14)
#7 Salisbury (12-14) vs #7 Drew (9-15)
#8 Wesley (11-15) vs #8 Goucher (7-18)

Obviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

Here are some numbers:
2007 NCAA Tourny Teams: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 20 Game winners: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 Winning Records: Landmark (5/8) CAC (6/9)
2007 Combined record: Landmark (114-92 55.3%) CAC 130-106 57.5%)

It all seems pretty even to me, but the best way to settle it is still on the court!

By the way, I'm also an O's fan. I was at Cal's Last game, October 6, 2001 and at 2131 September 6, 1995. I'll be in Cooperstown this summer to see him get into the hall. But, If I could change one thing it would be Peter Angelos!!!!!!

[cold_case]

susquejamma, do you see what you started with all this Orioles talk?
I always thought Robert Irsay was the most hated person in Baltimore. Not anymore.

[diehardfan]

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now?

Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.
The Boston Red Sox.

That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!...The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone...But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.

Of course there wasn't a curse of the Bambino, they were "cursed" for being racist? 

No pity.

They're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart lots and lots of money like everyone else in the AL-E.

Since that's the case, I'd almost rather lose... almost.

Sorry, my sis's fiance is a Red Soxs fan, and my sister is a sellout with all her pink RedSox gear. In fact, my future brother in law first proposed at Fenway on the scoreboard (like that wasn't predictable). (Ironically, my parents said "not yet," and they ended up getting engaged for real later at Inner Harbor!) I love em and all, but I guarantee they are some of those people booing when the Red Sox are @ Baltimore. I have to try and get my jabs in whenever I can... being in the league owned by the two richest baseball squads doesn't give me much to cheer about very often. Since we are all ethnic minorities, and the sis's fiance is even more obsessive than the normal Red Sox fan, the above assertion/accusation about racism being the cause of the curse produces visible pain/agitation.

That said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.

It's funny cause it's true. 

[Salem, VA]

Who does everyone got...

two of your tenants of the Landmark faceoff

Messiah
Catholic

Should be good, Catholic has a lot of senior leadership.

Matt- How is Catholic looking for next year with all the seniors graduating.