MBB: Landmark Conference

susiddad · December 17, 2009, 11:29:40 AM

great thread....i will try and discuss ferko more in the future to keep everyone entertained and generate more thoughts on the landmark....excuse my while i take a nap....

cannon was a big time player. ferko a role player.

hoopit123 · December 17, 2009, 02:49:34 PM

haha long live ferko. but from what i have heard, he is doing big things up at wells.

susid---after only two years of landmark play, it may be a bit premature to make an all-time list. however, if there was a 2-year anniv. team, i couldnt argue with the one you have put together. maybe the PG position could have some debate. majors has a competitive resume, as does samuel from usmma. i only dispute this because i remember watching some games where a very young majors brought it to arnold---i.e. 3 years ago, scranton xmas tourney i believe it was. glad i chose that game to attend, that may have been the first, and perhaps only time SU will beat scranton up there!

susiddad · December 17, 2009, 03:07:32 PM

Looking back at the stats of those games, it looks like your right hoop it. Majors had a bunch of steals and clearly outplayed him in the stats category.

Another key part of Majors is when he arrived, the team starting winning. Before that SU was 2-23 and an absolute joke. Since, they have 3 winning seasons and are off to a good start again.

USMMA coach does not seem easy to play for and Samuel has to run the show for his team. Got to take my hat off to Sams as well. Bottom line is all three can bring it and win games.

TheGrove · December 17, 2009, 04:33:44 PM

Quote from: susiddad on December 17, 2009, 03:07:32 PM

Another key part of Majors is when he arrived, the team starting winning. Before that SU was 2-23 and an absolute joke. Since, they have 3 winning seasons and are off to a good start again.

No man... haven't you been listening? It was all Ferko.

susiddad · December 17, 2009, 05:27:09 PM

How did Ferko end up at SU? Wierd that a rival right out of school after knocking out SU the year before in the playoffs gets a job on staff. I don't get it? Could you imagine if Greg Paulus was a coach at UNC?

BCannon · December 17, 2009, 07:59:43 PM

I think susidad was pretty spot on with his team...earley and miller from moravian would be on my short list of others for consideration...i kno the SU crowd would object vehemently, but Miller would certainly have a case..although he prob wasn't quite the defender Jrob was.

With all due respect to Majors if you were gonna pool a team together from all the Landmark schools and take the best from the past 2 yrs Randy Arnold is your PG..he was by far one of the toughest individuals I have ever played against and really sacrificed himself (body and stats wise) for the team his Sr yr... he was also what made them go and deserves a TON of credit for their run in 08 to end the season.

Matt-I kno I had been the one to ask about JB..don't kno if you had a chance to see it, but i watched the Goucher game online while i listented to the JC SU game on the radio and JB looked quite alright. I was a little to quick to judge.

Unreal how unappreciated Ferk was at SU.... ferko's last game against the maroon and orange jc wins by 28 and ends SU's season for the 2nd yr in a row..ferko then arrives in selingsgrove the next yr without much fanfare and SU wins their first playoff game in yrs and advances to the ship to lose a tough one to Scranton (losing tough championship games is his speciality) ... coincidence? i think not

susiddad · December 18, 2009, 09:54:19 AM

Moravian's players were not that good, sorry Cannon. I would also say that the while we loved Cannon as a player, we have him ranked as the 4th or 5th player well behind Robinson, Bicknell, and Arnold.

We also believe that as a poster on this we continue to get a bad rap for simply telling the truth.

I would have to disagree re: ferko, however, I would give Ferko his due on the court, but nowhere near an all-time all conference team. I wonder if Ferko taught SU how to win at Juniata? Ferko is now working for the Buffalo Bills continuing to ruin programs.

kdb0031 · December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM

Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell

Coach- would have to be Danzig

BCannon · December 18, 2009, 10:09:54 PM

Merch Marine had a real nice win vs. Cabrini on the 15th ... Samuels had a huge game ... if they continue to progress as some others have eluded to on the board they are gonna be a very tough team to beat because of the balance they have...reminds me a lot of the scranton teams the past 2 yr's without as much size/athleticism

and just to be clear my comments on ferko are meant as a joke

NEPAFAN · December 18, 2009, 10:25:45 PM

Quote from: kdb0031 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell

Coach- would have to be Danzig

How about Paul Biagioli as a sixth man?

susiddad · December 21, 2009, 09:26:50 AM

Not to big on Biagioli. Life should've been easier for him with Bicknasty in the middle, but it wasn't. Remember him being too inconsistent and not everyday baller, similar to Patch, Cuffe and Robinson, Bicknell, Banzugh, and Arnold.

The numbers Spenser is putting up are impressive too, however, I am not sure he is not at that level of the others above.

As far as coach of the league so far, I might be in my own world here, but I am leaning towards USMMA coach. Here's why: The guys they have from day 1 are not impressive. All of a sudden, they develop into legitimate players and on a night to night basis, that team brings it every night. They have a style and you know what you are getting. I think they win with the least amount of talent. Curious to hear what the bball people here in the room have to say and not the jokers who criticize simple harsh realities.

hoopit123 · December 21, 2009, 11:17:44 PM

Quote from: kdb0031 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell

at the 4 position, i feel you have to factor in the all-around game and i think your choice will be different...perhaps besides bicknell, no one else has averaged a double-double for an entire season besides patch. being an su fan i know for fact cuff didnt, and i dont believe cannon did. scoring wise i dont think they were much more, if at all, than patch's 18 ppg last year. also it troubles me that banzhaf is such a shoe-in for you while frankly, to my belief and as i witnessed in games i've seen, all he does is sit on the low post and finish put backs off others' misses. i would have no trouble placing patch and cannon at the forward positions, for they had more well-rounded games on more successful and more well-balanced teams.

hoopit123 · December 21, 2009, 11:23:06 PM

and ps.... im sure---from the state the wells program is in currently and in the recent past (they not long ago were all womens) a conference-runner up 'ferko special' will not be frowned upon!

hoopit123 · December 21, 2009, 11:30:26 PM

and pps....i have no trouble with SUsid's praise on the MMA program. i agree 100% with those statements. but i also feel it partly has to do with the discipline and regiment they, as being military, are programmed with. tough and 100% effort is all that they know and are accustomed with.

and for these reasons...with their core back and everyone elses core's on to post-grad activities...you heard it first, USMMA are 2010 landmark champs.

ronk · December 21, 2009, 11:49:36 PM

Congrats to the Royals' Zach Ashworth upon being named 1 of 72(across all 3 Divisions, 9 in D3) finalists for the Hall of Fame Bob Cousy award for point guards. And, I consider him to be even better at the 2- guard position.