MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him he resorts to ridiculous personal attacks.  i discussed hoopsville on here because i wanted to talk about the results of the show specifically with landmark fans (with whom i was chatting with during the show), because scranton and nepa fans are some of the most educated in D3.  didnt realize that wasnt allowed d-mac

[NEPAFAN]

Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him

I must have missed that part.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him

I must have missed that part.

haha, i reread and youre right nepa, i forgot i changed my comment from praise to non-insulting!  530 for scranton tonight right?

[cold_case]

pat a good journalist never admits defeat, no matter his resources. if your point is, if we asked him tough questions he wouldnt have come on at all then i'd have more respect for you guys saying not have him on at all.

also, whats his email address and i'd be glad to ask him myself?

Don't e-mail Dave, it's his birthday today. He and I have a long and great history together when I was working in that area of PA.

Honesty, Integrity...blah, blah, blah!
I came back here for the truth, since certain people are claiming they are right.
The Landmark Conference title game wasn't streamed on d3hoops or wherever and Scranton was to blame, according to a blog on this site.
The blog read this way:
"We tried to do the Landmark game -- in fact, we decided to do the Landmark game only to run into roadblocks both in athletics and IT. So we will be doing the CAC game instead. Sorry, guys -- we tried.
There were a lot of factors. We needed 24 hours to get all our ducks in a row, including bringing in PrestoSports, which was going to do live stats/live video combination at whichever of the two sites we chose.
Guess Scranton couldn't deal with that."

What I get from this is that Pat Coleman, the blogger, wasn't involved in the deal but received bad info from one of his own.
I'm told it wasn't Scranton's fault. Their IT and athletic departments went the extra mile to get that game streamed but an unamed d3hoops representative was tardy in giving the final decision.
What was left out of the blog were important details, especially regarding the time line. If the time line were included in this blog, it would not appear that the University of Scranton caused the project to crash.
Scranton wanted d3hoops there and could have taken care of them if they contacted Scranton earlier in the day as d3hoops promised.
A simple phone call or e-mail to Scranton earlier that day would have stopped the situation.

Again, I don't think it's Pat as much as it's the bad info given to him.

[Pat Coleman]

Negative, cold case -- we asked for 24 hours and the plug was pulled before then.

In addition, PrestoSports was in contact with Scranton during the day to set up the companion live stats part of the project. Scranton should have easily known we wanted to go forward, since it was all packaged together. If there were questions, they could have communicated in the other direction.

In the end, no harm other than a bunch of wasted time. The Capital Athletic Conference title game at St. Mary's got this treatment instead, a nice little media blitz from Presto and prime positioning from Ustream on its website.

[ziggy]

Larry:

A good journalist can find his email.

or even a mid-level message board guy...

The haters need to cut Pat and Dave some slack, I thought the conversation with Dave Martin was great for those that are interested in gaining a deeper understanding of the DIII tournament's inner-workings. Most of the message board controversy is due to a lack of knowledge regarding the entire regional ranking and selection process.

I thought there were some questions asked that did a great job of shedding some light on a few issues such as the interpretation of "results versus regionally ranked" and whether a team like Hope might be penalized for playing more games out of region/NCAA than is typical. These things should be seen as much more important than the minutiae of why team x didn't get or why a game is played at school z (although there was a good explanation of the thinking behind that issue).

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

ziggy, i addressed your points on the pool c board.

the question Pat asked was a great one, because frankly its what me, saratoga, and others have been arguing with DMac about all week.  the committee has the ability to, and does, look behind the numbers. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

cold_case... I informed everyone that I was not going to be able to make a decision until at least 2 or 3 PM in the afternoon of Friday since I was going to be at work until 1 PM and unavailable due to my work load of getting all the ducks in a row.

I received a voicemail in the morning from the IT department that I was unable to check until 2 PM... I heard nothing back from the SID department a any time on Friday. Again... I told them I would call 24 hours after I had talked to them on Thursday... and that was around 4:00 PM on Thursday.

I got back to the IT department at 2:30 who told me the decision had been made by the SID department that I was not coming and that the IT department had had a number of its employees already leave for the day and that an ethernet portal could not be set up now. They also had asked if I could broadcast on one of their laptops - not possible.

I then contacted the SID department and was told that because they had not heard from me in the morning - when I said I was going to be available - they pulled the plug themselves.

I WANTED to go to Scranton since it was a game we at D3sports hadn't done and we had featured SMC in the past. But I was unable to actually make the decision myself on the timeline I had given out. If someone wants to disagree with me about this - they are welcome to email me. Understand... NOTHING could have been decided in the AM as that is not a time frame I am able to be on the phone for even 10 minutes due to my responsibilities at my paying job.

And cold_case... wouldn't it have been prudent of you as a journalist to have contacted me first to find out the story from my point of view instead of making comments about ignorance and then just now talking about my tardiness. If you are as solid a journalist as you have portrayed yourself in the last few weeks... then this would have been a no-brainer. Thanks for the respect of contacting me and getting my side of the story before you assumed you already knew the story and told the rest of the world the one-sided part of it.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The conversation I believe was about the last few teams being chosen into the field and at that time they do look behind the numbers. But understand that when the numbers are as vastly different (.05 to .1 in every major category)... they don't then take an extra step to the 2nd criteria or behind the numbers.

Again... that was a conversation regarding picking the final few teams that are close in the first criteria and even the second criteria.

[cold_case]

And cold_case... wouldn't it have been prudent of you as a journalist to have contacted me first to find out the story from my point of view instead of making comments about ignorance and then just now talking about my tardiness. If you are as solid a journalist as you have portrayed yourself in the last few weeks... then this would have been a no-brainer. Thanks for the respect of contacting me and getting my side of the story before you assumed you already knew the story and told the rest of the world the one-sided part of it.

Dave, if I were doing a story for a publication, I most certainly would have contacted you. This is a public message board. Everyone here is voicing their opinion, like editorials?
And I don't recall your name coming up in my post to Pat.

[Pat Coleman]

In your "reporting" for your "editorial" did the live stats component come up? You didn't mention it. This was all tied together.

[cold_case]

In your "reporting" for your "editorial" did the live stats component come up? You didn't mention it. This was all tied together.

Engaging is a battle of wits or who outwits whom has nothing to do with right and wrong. Right?
Being witty only covers up guilt/shortcomings. I don't have any, but several posters on here think two people do.

[Pat Coleman]

Not trying to be witty. Just seems like you didn't get the whole story, either.

[NEPAFAN]

Not trying to be witty. Just seems like you didn't get the whole story, either.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle here.


Anyway where is Toga and Augie's live blogging from Western Mass?