MBB: Landmark Conference

[NEPAFAN]

Congrats to the coaching staff and players. Nice to see video after last years fiasco.


I hope the royals don't get sent up to New England again.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Scranton go north to the East Region... or to William Paterson... maybe stay "local" at F&M or Cabrini... could be interesting.

[cold_case]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Scranton go north to the East Region... or to William Paterson... maybe stay "local" at F&M or Cabrini... could be interesting.

It's been a prerequisite for decades that F&M hosts...

[D.B. Cooper]

Another ancient-alien theory type comment that ignores facts (CC must be a big follower of the History Channel's Georgio Tsoukalos).  Recently F&M has been sent to such friendly outposts as Merchant Marines/St. Mary's and Virginia Wesleyan. If I remember correctly CC and friends are still upset about a 1st round paring in 1987 where they got discarded by a tough host Widener team when they thought they should have been gifted F&M's opponent ?Allegheny. Thus they hold a horrible grudge ever since & unwarranted rude comments are the norm. In the last 15 years Dips have been the victim of anything but friendly treatment by NCAA certainly not favorable. Even though they deserve to host this year they may well not be picked. It would be nice to have the Royals back at Mayser, I don't think they've been there since the 1991 NCAA's, but they didn't get to play the Dips that year.

A final question: How many times the Royals & their 1st round exit tendency been allowed to host in the Danzig era, it may well be more often than F&M over the same time frame, so leave ancient-alien type theories from a generation before at rest.

[onetinsoldier]

DB,

Youre not really asking the right question.  F&M and Scranton are probably the two greatest mid-atlantic programs of the last 30+ years.  the question is why havent they played more in the regular season? 

Who really cares why CC might have an anti F&M bias?  Sports biases die hard.  The seton hall fan base still hasnt forgiven the michigan program for 89, and later the thievery of Traitor Tommy Amaker.  Thats what makes sports great, that we remember past grudges and can talk about them as if they happened yesterday

[cold_case]

Another ancient-alien theory type comment that ignores facts (CC must be a big follower of the History Channel's Georgio Tsoukalos).  Recently F&M has been sent to such friendly outposts as Merchant Marines/St. Mary's and Virginia Wesleyan. If I remember correctly CC and friends are still upset about a 1st round paring in 1987 where they got discarded by a tough host Widener team when they thought they should have been gifted F&M's opponent ?Allegheny. Thus they hold a horrible grudge ever since & unwarranted rude comments are the norm. In the last 15 years Dips have been the victim of anything but friendly treatment by NCAA certainly not favorable. Even though they deserve to host this year they may well not be picked. It would be nice to have the Royals back at Mayser, I don't think they've been there since the 1991 NCAA's, but they didn't get to play the Dips that year.

A final question: How many times the Royals & their 1st round exit tendency been allowed to host in the Danzig era, it may well be more often than F&M over the same time frame, so leave ancient-alien type theories from a generation before at rest.

Dear Mr. Robinson,
As usual, your ignorance is only surpassed only by your, well, ignorance.
So you're new catch phrase is ancient-alien, ok, cool.
Perhaps the selection committee has recently been dispatching the Dip's, as you pointed out, because even they realized how embarrassing and pain stakingly obvious it was becoming that Lancaster was home more times than anyone?
I've seen F&M host NCAA's when they shouldn't even have been in them.
However, the gist of my earlier, brief post was to see if you would notice it, which you did, and to see if you have a life or live on this board, which you do.
I really wanted to point out that both Scranton and F&M have been paired in the same region 10 times with Scranton hosting ONCE, easily discarding the Dip's.
F&M? Oh, that's easy: they hosted the Royals and others SIX TIMES! The other three were road-bound at Widener (which also discarded F&M that same year), Rowan and Patterson.
I remember talking to York's Jeff Gamber during the week of the infamous Widener host, and asking him the criteria that goes into host sites and seeds. He immediately evaded my question and remarked "the people in Scranton think they should host the tourney every year."
Where did that answer come from? Guilty conscience? Obviously since that wasn't even my question.
By the way, Danzig's teams hosted one year.
Oh, and by the way, Pt. II. F&M even hosted Scranton in the ECAC's a few years back, but post-1991.

Man, does onetinsoldier sound familiar. Seton Hall gave it away...

[NEPAFAN]

That shot at Danzig and the first round exit was unwarranted. Stay Classy DB.


Nevertheless, congrats to F&M on a CC championship. Maybe the two teams will meet on the court sometime in the future.

[cold_case]

That shot at Danzig and the first round exit was unwarranted. Stay Classy DB.


Nevertheless, congrats to F&M on a CC championship. Maybe the two teams will meet on the court sometime in the future.

Which court? 

[ronk]

  Scranton played @ Mayser 2 years ago against Brandeis when F&M played Wesley. Scranton hosted once during Danzig but only because Ursinus wouldn't host. The home court was the prime reason that Scranton nipped that very good Ursinus team.

[cold_case]

  Scranton played @ Mayser 2 years ago against Brandeis when F&M played Wesley. Scranton hosted once during Danzig but only because Ursinus wouldn't host. The home court was the prime reason that Scranton nipped that very good Ursinus team.

So it's 7-1? Thanks ...

[D.B. Cooper]

Finally CC

Is your contention that playing F&M on the road in the NCAA's is the reason they didn't do well in 10 years pods they shared. As best I can recall the only time they played that wasn't a consolation (met twice in now defunct 3d place game) was in 1988 in Scranton. Perhaps it's just to complain about Dips good luck with hosting rationings in the 70s-80s. Needless to say that is ancient history.

Also the only time Dips played at Patterson was in the 2000 Sectional & as I remember the other teams were Rowan & Catholic. You might be confusing it with the sectional in Rochester in 1992.

Why did you call me Mr. Robinson? I'm sure the Coach doesn't even know who I am, which is a devoted alumni who is a big longtime fan of my Alma Mater. Just as I am sure you are of yours. I wish the two legendary programs would meet on the court in the NCAAs. (It's very difficult during the regular season because CC double-round robin & a pair of longstanding tornaments that take 22 of 25 games. I still wish Royals or even Wilkes would play us yearly like we do with St. Mary's, but I have no say in this, just hope.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Something I remember during Hoopsville tonight, the men's national committee has made a very strong effort to match-up each of the pods four different regions... thus Scranton going to any of the MA's hosts (Cabrini or F&M most likely) seems unlikely. I suspect they travel to Staten Island, William Paterson, East Region, Great Lakes, even a place like Virginia Wesleyan. And there is always a return trip to the Northeast!

I just don't see them heading to an MA pod.

[ronk]

Dave,
  That was the basis for my question. In the Mid-Atlantic, by that line of reasoning, both pods(expected to be Cabrini and F&M) should be comprised of the host Mid-Atlantic schools and 3 other unique non-Mid-Atlantic schools like one each from the East, Atlantic, and South/NE/Great lakes regions. It shouldn't be just Scranton that goes out-of-region. What's fair for one should be fair for all.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... and that may very be what happens... this is the Landmark board, so I am stating that as well.

HOWEVER, it isn't perfect.. we can't ship teams to Texas and the Midwest, for example. So sometimes two regions will be in the same pod, though the committee tries to make sure they don't play one another in the first round.

That all being said, remember there is no criteria for this rule. I just know that the committee has made an effort in years past to make that work when they can and it is nice to see (i.e. St. Mary's last year)... but think about it, there are 6 AQ schools and maybe two more in the MA... might not be able to send all six non-hosts to different pods.

[ronk]

Yes, but you could send all of them out of pennsylvania and bring in 6 non-Pa. schools for the Cabrini and F&M pods. So does the committee want just a flavor of diversity(one pod in the tourney from 4 different states/regions) or does it try this for every pod, where reasonable?