MBB: Landmark Conference

[cold_case]

If your particular school is too high and mighty to do it, that's fine, but not everyone is Swarthmore. And Scranton isn't Swarthmore, either.

I like that but can't think of a comeback. Give me some time.

[Pat Coleman]

Give the kid a chance, but I'm for not letting him play his first year.

Well, he didn't play his first semester. That's not uncommon at other schools.

[fanuofs]

to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore. 

I also think the way the article was written had a lot to do with some of the negative comments on this board.  Is the story "young man couldnt get into D1, settles for D3," of is it "young man matures, earns way into Cabrini and fulfills basketball dreams?" 

Earned? I'm sorry but I have a problem with that.
I can say more but I can't. However, I will add if this school took the low road to basketball success like many in this division, shame on them.

AGREED.  Too many things that just 'happened'... Anyway - I wish this kid all the success in life.  I hope he has a great athletic career - but more importantly, gets a good degree and great job.  Basketball, unfortunately, ends way too soon!

[saratoga]

Personally, I wish the young man all the success life has to offer.
However, there are NCAA rules against coach's showing up at playgrounds & even camps & making verbal contact with kids during certain restricted times.
Ask the former coach at Binghamton how the NCAA slammed him for showing up at a showcase where "verbal & or written contact" was expressly forbidden.
Coach B was too big for those rules, he had a program to build & he needed to do it fast because he was personally on the fast track to get out of Bingo & land a BIG time D-I job.
He was reported by fellow coach's at the event & the NCAA stepped in & slammed Binghamton yet again which ultimetely led to his removal as coach. In the 2 years since, numerous violations have been uncovered & that program is in so much disarray it may never recover.
I don't fault the player, he just wants a second chance. However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.
New topic...even though the Royals lost to Cabrini, I think I can speak for everyone that headed North last weekend & say we had a absolutely great time in Middlebury. Beautiful campus, great little New England town, tremendous weather & some good memories. The locals were great & the hosts put on their A game.
All the very best to the Scranton seniors & their wonderful families that travel everywhere with them.

[mailsy]

However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.

The article stated that the Walton-Moss was at Cabrini's gym 'with longtime friend and Sacramento Kings standout Jason Thompson'.  The coach works for the college in the gym. He was at the gym.  He is sometimes, believe it or not, responsible for things that happen in the gym. Your implication is that he went somewhere as the former coach at Binghamton 'showing up at a showcase where verbal & or written contact was expressly forbidden' which is illegal.  You are implying that Coach Kahn did something illegal, when you certainly don't have any facts.  It all seems like sour grapes on your part. 

[ronk]

Saratoga,
  The rules for contacts and evaluations, etc. are relatively unrestricted after high school junior year for D3 relative to D1/2; what happened involving Binghamton isn't necessarily inappropriate at the D3 level.
  Glad you enjoyed the get together @ Middlebury; was looking forward to the final 4 in Salem. Will miss Luke and Paul Hawk's parents at future Royal conclaves.

[cold_case]

However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.

The article stated that the Walton-Moss was at Cabrini's gym 'with longtime friend and Sacramento Kings standout Jason Thompson'.  The coach works for the college in the gym. He was at the gym.  He is sometimes, believe it or not, responsible for things that happen in the gym. Your implication is that he went somewhere as the former coach at Binghamton 'showing up at a showcase where verbal & or written contact was expressly forbidden' which is illegal.  You are implying that Coach Kahn did something illegal, when you certainly don't have any facts.  It all seems like sour grapes on your part. 

I don't think saratoga is showing sour grapes. He's being courteous when saying lots of teams take the low road.
Why do you think there is a Landmark Conference? It certainly wasn't because Scranton, Catholic and others failed to compete. Check their history.
They broke away from their old conferences for ONE reason.

[NEPAFAN]

Cabrini won tonight they play for it all tomorrow.....

[kate]

God help me, i shouldn't take the bait, but what did the Capital Athletic Conference do to warrant the departure of Catholic & Goucher?  That's where they both were, right?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Kate... simple answer that the many won't say out load... Look at the original CAC and tell me how many schools besides Goucher and Catholic are private... or for that matter private like Goucher and Catholic. You will then get your answer.

[cold_case]

Kate... simple answer that the many won't say out load... Look at the original CAC and tell me how many schools besides Goucher and Catholic are private... or for that matter private like Goucher and Catholic. You will then get your answer.

Dave, there was message board alongside the game stream last night and IWU people wanted to know if you and the other guy were Cabrini people, lol. They thought you were a bit biased.
I didn't feel that way and I have to admit, you do have a super radio voice. VERY PROFESSIONAL. GOD, I hated saying that...

[kate]

Sorry Dave, in my world Diversity Rules!  On a Happy note, at least for our Family, cerebral Lehigh beat cerebral Duke last night 75/70!  And, for whatever it's worth, i personally still miss Scranton & Drew - i've said this since their departure.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Kate, I love diversity as well... but at the same time you can find diversity with commonality. I would say the Landmark Conference is diverse even if it is similar schools.

However, the problem from the CAC point of view for Goucher/Catholic is they are recruiting against schools (i.e. Salisbury) whose tuition are FAR lower even with scholarships. Not saying it should have been the reason to leave... but I do know it was a factor in the decision.

I find it funny that Cabrini fans thought there was a bias against them... I thought at times we weren't giving IWU enough credit. We are going to be neutral (which is why when asked even here in Salem, I am not predicting who I think will win the games - just talking about what I think teams need to do to put them in position to win - keys).

[ronk]

Kate, I love diversity as well... but at the same time you can find diversity with commonality. I would say the Landmark Conference is diverse even if it is similar schools.

However, the problem from the CAC point of view for Goucher/Catholic is they are recruiting against schools (i.e. Salisbury) whose tuition are FAR lower even with scholarships. Not saying it should have been the reason to leave... but I do know it was a factor in the decision.

I find it funny that Cabrini fans thought there was a bias against them... I thought at times we weren't giving IWU enough credit. We are going to be neutral (which is why when asked even here in Salem, I am not predicting who I think will win the games - just talking about what I think teams need to do to put them in position to win - keys).

Dave,
  You may have misread Cold case's msg: IWU folks thought you were favoring Cabrini, not vice versa. I thought you were neutral although I'm biased toward Cabrini, now that they've gotten by Scranton(twice this season). Thought you did well, also, in the analyst role.
  WW played MIT very tough defensively, but I expect Cabrini to challenge them 1-on-1. Hopefully, a good game tonight.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah... Must have misread it. But still... There was no bias at all.