MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

[NEPAFAN]

I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.

[Pat Coleman]

I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.

And they were in the Top 25. Dave said he disagreed with "how high they ended up ranked in the top 25" -- he did not say they did not deserve to be ranked at all, although it appears from your reaction that that might be what you read.

[Reserved Seat]

No sense hyping recruits who may never play.  Talking to the freshmen at F&M, several are talking about not going out so they can focus on academics, and one tore his ACL is probably not playing this year.  Last year 2 big freshmen sat out all year: one for a lingering injury and one for illness.

[cold_case]

In the meantime and a little off topic, the Orioles keep rolling along.
Pat?

[ronk]

  I think we're in total agreement here that nobody is a better SID than Kevin Southard et al, but it's most likely NOT his call as to the time of release of incomers' info. I'll start a rumor right now that the info will be released in the fall - at the men's bball fundraiser golf outing 21 Sep(1st day of fall), so, if you want to know, show up at the outing.
   RIP Art Heyman, Duke teammate of Scranton Prep's Steve Vacendak - they lost in the '64 NCAA final to John Wooden's 1st championship at UCLA
   FWIW dept. - came across a list of schools that started as women's colleges, among them Moravian and Goucher; Moravian must have been very long ago, because I sat on the bench against their men's team in the early '60s. 

[Pat Coleman]

In the meantime and a little off topic, the Orioles keep rolling along.
Pat?

Hey, no doubt, and not surprised you would choose to gloat. I am definitely surprised at the success of the O's this year, though. I thought for sure Angelos couldn't keep from screwing this up the way his "baseball people" screwed up the previous 14 or so teams.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.

And they were in the Top 25. Dave said he disagreed with "how high they ended up ranked in the top 25" -- he did not say they did not deserve to be ranked at all, although it appears from your reaction that that might be what you read.

I never indicated they didn't deserve to be in the Top 25... I in fact ranked them on my ballot... but I did NOT rank them in the Top 8... Top 10... etc.

[TheGrove]

I spent a summer interning in Susquehanna's sports information office, back in a day when we did do press releases on men's basketball recruits. Summer's a slow news time, ya know? However, to get information on all of them, I ended up having to go to the admissions office and dig through applications. This is D3, you have to note all the academic honors and such.  I think this took up half my summer.

I have no idea how many of those "recruits" ended up playing or not. But I've seen plenty a coach who thought they had a recruit but the kid gets here and decides not to play, whether before the season or in pre-season. Or the kid who doesn't come back for a second, third, fourth season. Academics, injuries, interest in other activities, you name it, it's a reason.

Also, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

[lefty2]

Also, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1

[augie]

Nepafan you are exactly right to much can you tell when you write at 3.30 am.My theory is this D3hoops is so much sucked up the likes of Amherst,Wis Stevens point,Washington U and etc.That they forget about the rest and Dave The Guru of D3basketball sucked up his words when he said to Coach Danzing that on paper you have (No chance and i mean no chance against The number four team in are poll)I wrote back to The Guru that the game was not won on paper.So what happened a big shock.So you say you have 25 voters do they see every game like the great one or are you guessing on scores that you see throughout the week.I invite you to join us at the best gym in D3 the Long Center during a playoff game.Watch out for the best player in the Landmark and will be an All American Ross Danzing.I am a long supporter and follower of the U and i saw a lot of All Americans come out of this school

[Pat Coleman]

Also, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1

No quality SID walks just a mile. That job is much more like a marathon.

[TheGrove]

Also, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1

No quality SID walks just a mile. That job is much more like a marathon.

True, but spending even a mile in their shoes is not for the faint of heart! 

[augie]

It is so  amazing when you speak the truth on this board how they cut you down with there pathetic system -20 are you kidding how about attacking Dave for not giving are team credit last year.Politics are not good Coleman learn to respect everyone not just your friends

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

augie - did it ever occur to you that may there are other people who disagree with you? I don't usually "smite" anyone for their posts (though there are exceptions) and since this is the first time I have had time to read this board in days... I haven't had time to consider smiting you... and won't since you are free to your opinion.

So... if your karma is -20... maybe you need to realize that there are other people out there who read your thoughts and comments and don't agree with you... because I promise you it isn't me knocking your karma down.

Finally... I am done going around and around with you... but let me put something bluntly... have you ever heard of the expression "on paper"? It is used often to point out that according to stats and numbers and other things you can find on paper, you can surmise that one team is or isn't better than another... however, you still have to play the game. While I can't remember my exact quote, though I can go back to find it rather easily, I am sure I was asking the question in such a fashion to indicate Scranton was an underdog and wondering what Coach Danzig was doing to prepare for such perceived a tough task.

I have known Coach Danzig for a long time and I respect him and his program a great deal; I assume the same is true from him considering we have great conversations when I see him during the season and he has been gracious enough to come on my show many times. Futhermore, if I didn't respect Scranton and was just sucking up to teams you think I am sucking up to... then why would I bother having Scranton on my show?

As for your comments about Top 25 voters... there are three voters in Scranton's region I know have seen them play each year several times and many of us across the country take the time to watch games from around the country besides looking at just scores. I understand your loyalty to the Royals and I applaud it... but understand that there are 410+ mens programs out there and voting in the Top 25 is one of the most challenging things to do... you need to look outside of just your team and conference and appreciate the other schools out there. Last season is over... the 2012 season starts in 2 1/2 months... let's see what the Royals bring back this season and we shall go from there.

Oh... how many times to I have to write comments giving Scranton credit before you actually read them? Again... season is over; board has been wiped clean. Let the players and coaches perform on the floor and credit will come in the '12-'13 season. And I am done taking the time to reply to your constant bashing.