MBB: Landmark Conference

[Pat Coleman]

FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

[ronk]

 Is NEPA the source for this? 

[Pat Coleman]

Is NEPA the source for this? 

Not sure who NEPA is in real life but don't think they are one of the several sources we lean on for this.

[Great Day to be a Royal]

FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

[Pat Coleman]

FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

I don't get the impression that Catholic has large emotional ties to the NEWMAC in football.

[NEPAFAN]

FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

What does it mean for Scranton adding football?

Ronk: First rule is you never reveal your sources.

[ronk]

 We haven't lost a football game since 1960. There were former Royal football players in school still when I started in '62.

[Pat Coleman]

FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

What does it mean for Scranton adding football?

Ronk: First rule is you never reveal your sources.

It would lower one barrier for sure -- a Scranton football program would have a conference affiliation right off the bat and wouldn't need to go looking for one.

[saratoga]

Well, this is disappointing news.
Lyco & Wilkes add absolutely zero to the conference...except sporting a football team.
Can't they just let them in for football purposes & not full membership?
I was thrilled when Scranton waked away from the MAC but these schools are like hot gum on your shoes...they just keep sticking to you.
About 7 years ago the rumor going around the Capitol District was that Vassar & Skidmore were looking into the Landmark...they would be additions, Wilkes & Lyco...not so much.
Sorry Kate.

Ok, time to develop a new conference.
Scranton
Catholic
E-Town
Drew
Vassar
Skidmore
Stevens
Mary Washington
Goucher
Marymount

[Pat Coleman]

Couple reasons why they wouldn't really pursue these schools as football-only affiliates:

1. Why would the MAC allow them to only play their football elsewhere?
2. Having four core members with football and two football affiliates means all of those schools would have to give up automatic bid access in football for two years. (Six members = automatic bid right away; four members plus two affiliates = two-year waiting period.)

[saratoga]

I get it...just disgusted with this news.
On another topic...Royals looked like they were just going through the motions tonight.
Quite honestly, they may have already won their last game this season.

[NEPAFAN]

Saratoga: What does Goucher buy you that Wilkes doesn't? Are we only talking about prestige of the academic institutions here?


Pat: I was going to ask you about average investment and start up cost for a new football program, but I can probably google some stuff, as the kids say.

[Pat Coleman]

I am not sure I have good answers on startup costs in this day and age but most schools still feel that they recoup those costs with the additional enrollment.

I wrote this story more than 15 years ago and it doesn't address costs, but it's a broad overview at the reasons why D-III schools add football:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how

[NJRoyal137]

I feel like a Scranton / Wilkes rivalry would be cool

[NEPAFAN]

it is official.

https://landmarkconference.org/general/2021-22/releases/14102022-landmark-expansion