WBB: Landmark Conference

[saratoga]

Baldini;

No offense to the pollsters but even though polls aren't worth a hill of beans, teams and fan bases do like to see some acknowledgement for the kids hard work.

There will rarely be consensus on all picks (see D3 vs. coaches poll) but when it starts to fade pretty quickly with any particular sense of accuracy, then people start to question the actual knowledge of those making the choices.

I've said forever that the only ranking I care about is the Regional one.

Keep doing well there & D3 can rank Scranton 15th. but regardless, the Lady Royals will be at home & in the scheme of things, that matters far more than a subjective poll.

[Rofrog]

Damn the hate for Scranton shows!!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Baldini;

No offense to the pollsters but even though polls aren't worth a hill of beans, teams and fan bases do like to see some acknowledgement for the kids hard work.

There will rarely be consensus on all picks (see D3 vs. coaches poll) but when it starts to fade pretty quickly with any particular sense of accuracy, then people start to question the actual knowledge of those making the choices.

I've said forever that the only ranking I care about is the Regional one.

Keep doing well there & D3 can rank Scranton 15th. but regardless, the Lady Royals will be at home & in the scheme of things, that matters far more than a subjective poll.

I would think being ranked in the Top 25 is a nod to their hard work. I think people have to stop always wanting more. Being in the DIII top 25 is far more impressive than being in the D1 poll since there are more DIII schools than DI.

They are ranked ... about where some of us think they should be. As with all polls, there are voters higher and voters lower - heck, there might be some not voting for them at all.

But they are ranked. Do you want to talk about all the teams not ranked who probably have an argument? Or teams who never have a chance? There are many ways their  hard work is acknowledged.

I do find it funny you only care about the Regional Rankings, because the "data point only" ranking removes any of the "eye-test" and other things voters use to gauge teams and how good they are. Regional Rankings just say how good the numbers say a team is and saying nothing about who is actually better.

Sure, the rankings mean something for hosting and match-ups .. so I guess that's worth caring about.

Scranton will probably be fourth or so in the rankings this week ... but I am completely guessing right now.

[Rofrog]

Wait Scranton wins 4 games and they drop twice so the eye test is not a good test!Because winning four games in two weeks and still drop is not a great eye test unless you are bias!

[Rofrog]

So Dave are you saying the NCAA has it wrong with Regional rankings but your top 25 has it right?We do have two graduates on the voting poll that are in the same league as Scranton that went to Goucher and Catholic can you actually say you can be fair?I doubt it because many of times you and Pat state negative things against both Scranton teams if com
ing from there supporters on a 'PostingUp'

[Rofrog]

I would like to see the way you and pat vote on the top 25 since both of you said you are on the voting committee since preseason of this year Women and Men?Please show?

[Rofrog]

Also would like to see who smites you in d3hoops and applauds your actions gurantee 75%of the action comes from the opposing people which is fine but dont hide behind closed doors!

[saratoga]

Dave, I honestly could care less if D3 ranks Scranton 17th., 10th., or 22nd. as long as the NCAA Regional selection committee has them near the top in the Middle Atlantic ranking due out this week.

It's nice for the casual fan to look at & see their school listed somewhere in a poll but when you win games & lose ground to schools with questionable resumes, then you start to wonder.

As far as Regional rankings meaning something for "hosting & match-ups"...well, isn't that ultimately why you lace them up every day?

What does being number 12 in the D3 poll get a school come selection Monday other than being # 12?

[gordonmann]

We do have two graduates on the voting poll that are in the same league as Scranton that went to Goucher and Catholic can you actually say you can be fair?I doubt it because many of times you and Pat state negative things against both Scranton teams if com ing from there supporters on a 'PostingUp'

Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll. So whatever he thinks of Scranton doesn't impact the rankings that bother you.

Pat does vote in the women's poll but you're overstating any potential bias. When Pat was at Catholic, the Cardinals were in a different conference than Scranton. Pat can tell you what he's voting Scranton if he wants, but I'll just say he has them higher on his ballot than the rankings overall. So, if anything, the numbers suggest Pat is biased in favor of Scranton. And even if Pat wanted to spite Scranton, the most damage he could do is leave him off his ballot entirely which would  cost Scranton ~15 points total. As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

Out of curiosity, where would you rank Scranton right now? And what teams would put in front of the Lady Royals?

[Pat Coleman]

As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

This -- nails it on the head. The poll is no place for my personal feelings. Plus, as Gordon noted, I identify as a CAC alumnus, not a Landmark alumnus.

Last week, I had Bethel 9, George Fox 13, Scranton 14. This week I have George Fox 11, Scranton 12, Bethel 15.

Hope this helps. You should go ribbit at other voters -- Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll, and I am actually above average on Scranton, and was below average on Bethel already.

I do hope someday you are done posting about this sort of stuff, Rofrog. There's no need to keep grinding this axe.

[NEPAFAN]

As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

This -- nails it on the head. The poll is no place for my personal feelings. Plus, as Gordon noted, I identify as a CAC alumnus, not a Landmark alumnus.

Last week, I had Bethel 9, George Fox 13, Scranton 14. This week I have George Fox 11, Scranton 12, Bethel 15.

Hope this helps. You should go ribbit at other voters -- Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll, and I am actually above average on Scranton, and was below average on Bethel already.

I do hope someday you are done posting about this sort of stuff, Rofrog. There's no need to keep grinding this axe.

And would encourage you three to stop responding.

[gordonmann]

Fair enough.

[NEPAFAN]

Fair enough.

wait that is no fun. 

[Rofrog]

First and foremost I want to apologize to Dave i thought he was a voter!So my bad!Pat i think Scranton is a top ten team,Yes they lost 3 they redeemed two,The third one they cant to far apart!But yes Scranton should be up in the top ten.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

First and foremost I want to apologize to Dave i thought he was a voter!So my bad!Pat i think Scranton is a top ten team,Yes they lost 3 they redeemed two,The third one they cant to far apart!But yes Scranton should be up in the top ten.

I appreciate the apology. I do vote on the men's side only, but it doesn't mean I don't pay attention to the women's side. I am well versed on the women's side ... I just don't happen to vote on it. We take as close to a 50/50 split in guests on Hoopsville between genders, so I stay on top of it all.

That said ... who would you not rank in the Top 10 to include Scranton? I looked at the previous poll (not Monday evenings as it isn't out when I post this) and I found one school in the Top 10 I would probably rank Scranton ahead ... BUT I found only maybe three I would rank behind them between 1 and 17. That means I would have Scranton probably about 14, maybe 13, if I ranked (looking at just the Top 25 and not all of the team I normally look at; though, women tend to be a little more top heavy then the men).

I'll add one more note: I have worked in sports and news media my entire adult life and with the experience of being in the Sports Information Office at Goucher and the scorer's table since my freshman year, I've grown to be pretty unbias in just about everything. I also have worked for professional organizations as an announcer and in clubhouses of MLB teams (for MLB). The fact I fooled my favorite baseball team since childhood into them thinking I'm probably a fan of the home team speaks volumes to me. I go to professional games as 'fan' and don't even cheer much. I watch the game. I don't have axes to grind or take out "biases" against anyone or any other team. I don't even know what it is like to have a rooting interest as my alma mater hasn't been a factor for a very long time. So any bias you may think I have against Scranton I can assure you doesn't exist. I like all teams in Division III and I've gotten to know the Scranton administration and coaches extremely well and on a personal level. My perspective is as one who knows the Division III landscape well and certainly appreciates the Mid-Atlantic (and larger area) conferences and Landmark Conference very much. When I present my opinion on something, I have thought it out and weighed it against as much of a national perspective as I can bring ... as much as Pat and Gordon do as well.