WBB: Landmark Conference

[Rofrog]

 Yes your correct but facts buddy 53-36

[saratoga]

I have to admit I didn't hear what was said, however; if winning by 17 without the best all-around player in the league in uniform for Scranton is "barely getting by", then it seems the concept of that definition has certainly changed.

Wonder if there will even be a mention of Trevor hitting 100 wins in only 3 1/2 seasons anywhere on this site by any writer when he more than likely attains that mark on Wednesday evening?

I hope those associated with D3 Hoops take a minute & reflect what a pretty remarkable total that is in such a short period of time & give Trevor & his program the ink they deserve.

I also remember how certain people said Scranton's program would be set back 5 years because of the late hire.

How'd that work out?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

According to Dave Scranton barely got by Catholic girls .What game was I at then???

When I was reading scores from a source, it either had the wrong score or I flipped a couple of numbers ... making it seem like Scranton only won by three points. That type of result didn't surprise me considering the information I had about Mann's injury, so I didn't think it was wrong when I said it. Clearly, that wasn't the score ... so I apologize for the mistake.

Thank you for listening to the show, though!

BTW - where you listening to the show live? If so, feel free to message me through the numerous options to do so. Being a solo-host, producer, booker, social media manager, etc., etc., etc., I do make mistakes and appreciate when someone mentions them so I can correct them on air.

I have to admit I didn't hear what was said, however; if winning by 17 without the best all-around player in the league in uniform for Scranton is "barely getting by", then it seems the concept of that definition has certainly changed.

Wonder if there will even be a mention of Trevor hitting 100 wins in only 3 1/2 seasons anywhere on this site by any writer when he more than likely attains that mark on Wednesday evening?

I hope those associated with D3 Hoops take a minute & reflect what a pretty remarkable total that is in such a short period of time & give Trevor & his program the ink they deserve.

I also remember how certain people said Scranton's program would be set back 5 years because of the late hire.

How'd that work out?

We don't tend to mention many coaches hitting 100 wins in general. Trevor complicates things having coached men already - meaning he has experience before taking over the Royals program - so really, he's well passed 100 wins.

Pretty sure we have given Trevor plenty of credit - you are welcome to ask him if we have. Unfortunately a technical screw up kept people from hearing the interview I had with him last week where I did talk about his success so quickly at the helm. As you would expect, he ducked the kind words and talked about the program in general.

I was one of those who did say I was concerned the late hire would set back the program. It was a legit concern because the hiring process to replace Mike Strong had been completely bungled. At no time, until late in the process, was Trevor mentioned to me as a candidate. Many times when a program botches the hire (remember, they missed out on Nate Davis by being late to the punch the first time around; he has shown he would have been a stellar choice as well), there are far less quality candidates interested - especially late in the hiring process for a current season. They made a bold choice in Trevor (switching genders is not an easy transition for any coach) and it has paid off well. I have stated that many times - whether you have bothered to pay attention or not.

I will contend, though, that at no time did anyone say "five years" that I am aware. I don't shirk away from what I say, ever. You, and others, seem to have an incredible time, though, twisting what I actually said to fit your narrative. I never said it "would" set the program back - but you guys keep taking "concerns" and "worried" comments and turning them into absolutes. You also have an amazing ability to completely skip over or ignore when anything complimentary is said.

[saratoga]

No, you didn't say the late hire "would" set the program back.

What you actually said was the late hire "will" set the program back.

Actual quote from August 10, 2015...thread 43 on Landmark site...

"I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this hiring process this year but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons".

The implication in that statement is, they have a decent team coming back so they'll probably be ok but after that, DOA for at least 2 more years.

By the way, the Lady Royal's records for those two aforementioned years specified for being the years this hire will flame out were 26-4 and 28-2 with trips to the Sweet 16.

The Scranton program was always good, Trevor's hire has made them even greater without missing a beat let alone 2 or 3 years.

Coaching matters.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No, you didn't say the late hire "would" set the program back.

What you actually said was the late hire "will" set the program back.

Actual quote from August 10, 2015...thread 43 on Landmark site...

"I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this hiring process this year but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons".

The implication in that statement is, they have a decent team coming back so they'll probably be ok but after that, DOA for at least 2 more years.

By the way, the Lady Royal's records for those two aforementioned years specified for being the years this hire will flame out were 26-4 and 28-2 with trips to the Sweet 16.

The Scranton program was always good, Trevor's hire has made them even greater without missing a beat let alone 2 or 3 years.

Coaching matters.

OMG ... so me saying "they will see it" means it has to be negative? Seriously?!

YOU are implying something negative. You are making an assumption of something I said and it must be negative.

I simply said, we will see how this has impacted the program in a season or two. Clearly that impact has been positive. How in the world do you take that quote and just assume I must have been trying to say it will go sideways?

Yes, they had a good team and we knew they could ride that wave IF nothing else happened for the program in any way, shape, or form. The true test of any new coach is how are things three, four, or more years down the road when the recruiting is firmly in the hands of said coach and they have also had their system in place. That is why it is pretty common to say the true impact on a team with a new hire can't really be shown for a few more years.

Let me give you an example of right now. Calvin hired Chuck Winkelman to run the program back in the summer of 2016. He had a ton of success at Hendrix, but especially at Millsaps where he came to Calvin from. It looked like a really good hire. That first year, they seemed to be running along right where they had left off and the hire seemed to be a brilliant one. If you missed the news, he was let go yesterday. "Not a good fit" is the quote. Third season. Not working.

We get that coaching matters. That's the biggest "no duh" thing you could say. That is EXACTLY why I said we would see how this hire truly works out in three or so years. When he has gotten in the groove with Scranton recruiting (all schools are different), he has fully transitioned to the women's game, and even the timing of the hire can be truly felt.

You are trying to indicate in a quote that says "we will see how this hire has affected things" that I must have been negative ... when in reality you can't appreciate that it is a pretty common thought when it comes to these things. I never said it "will set the program back." That NEVER was indicated. I said we will see the affects of the process and the hire in three years. That can go any direction, saratoga, and only you and others who refuse to believe there is anything but blue-lined clouds or "glory be to Scranton" written about the program would only think the written word must be negative.

[NEPAFAN]

Blue lined clouds; shouldn't they be purple? Even then I am not sure I get the reference.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Blue lined clouds; shouldn't they be purple? Even then I am not sure I get the reference.

Sorry - purple. This is an example of how my color blindness fails me. I can't memorize "purple" when my eyes are constantly seeing blue. Baltimore Ravens uniforms are blue to me as well.

And maybe I should have used "purple-shaded glasses" as a reference instead. For some reason, the idea of "cloud's silver lining" was in my head and thought it made for a good reference. Only see things as good and great despite what may be reality (though in the women's case, there aren't many times when there aren't good times; the bungled hiring process being probably the only exception in recent history - and I know my bungled hiring processes... seen it up close a little too much of late).

[saratoga]

Dave:

Your response reminds me of the scene in Vacation just after Clarke woke up the whole hotel after swimming with Christie Brinkley.

He's out in front of their room talking with Rusty & this paraphrased exchange takes place.

Russ: "Dad, do you really like that girl"?

Clarke: "Who her? No, no Russ she's ugly"

Russ: Hmmmmm

Clarke: "You believe me Russ, don't you"?

Russ; "Sure dad". Think mom will buy it"?

Clarke: "Great talk Russ, go to bed".

I think I can tell when a story or the written word comes across as positive.

Therefore, when I see one here, I'll be sure to let you know.

Till then...

[Rofrog]

Dave to your question I wasnt listening to the show.I watched it after.But you do have alot of negativity toward Scranton you dont treat the program with the respect you give to say Thomas More,Amherst,Bowdoin etc they are always second fiddle but that is fine that is your perogative!!!!

[Pat Coleman]

Thomas Moe and Amherst have combined to win the national title every time it has been awarded over the past four seasons. Bowdoin has been to the title game more recently than Scranton has (1985). You do yourself no favors with that comparison, Rofrog.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Ha. This is now laughable. What Pat said is perfect, but I will also say ... do you really think Scranton's program is on par with those others even with the current rankings? Scranton is a good program, but let's stop trying to pretend that I suddenly have to worship the ground the Royals walk on.

I am fair with all programs. It is really too bad you didn't hear the interview with Trevor - but he will be on again in due time.

In the meantime, just because someone doesn't drink the purple Kool-Aid doesn't mean they are just negative. I really don't have a lot of negativity towards the program ... you guys just can't seem to hear anything but negativity from anyone who dares speak something other than a glowing report every ... single ... time ... they ... speak.

[Rofrog]

It really showed with your interview with Coach and mess up with that oh so close game against Catholic women.Pat and by the way you know nothing about Scranton history 8 final 4s is alot of success just to bring up this year and last year is so laughable on your part shows your ignorance toward Scranton.

[Rofrog]

To say that them teams are better then Scranton this year shows your intelligence dave just like your ignorance when Scranton men played Middlebury.Dave you remember your statement to Coach you actually laughed and said you have no chance well they did.

[Rofrog]

I thought it was Thomas More not moe karma is great.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It really showed with your interview with Coach and mess up with that oh so close game against Catholic women.Pat and by the way you know nothing about Scranton history 8 final 4s is alot of success just to bring up this year and last year is so laughable on your part shows your ignorance toward Scranton.

OMG seriously?

The screw up could have happened with anyone. The software I was using had already gone sideways twice with me that show ... crashing and causing me to scramble to get it fixed.

I'm curious ... have you ever run a web stream in general? Have you produced and director and run the software ... while also making sure everything works? On top of that, have you done it while also hosting the show including calling guests, getting graphics set, running ad breaks, interacting with fans, asking questions, listening to answers, etc.?

Any guest who was slated in that slot would have had that happen to them. In other words - **** happens and no one is more frustrated by the mistake than myself.

For the record ... one of the first things I did was email those at Scranton to apologize. I hate those kinds of mistakes and it doesn't matter who it is. I have incredibly high-standards and that show didn't live up to it. But I am sure that doesn't matter to anyone here.

And telling Pat he knows nothing about Scranton's history is proof you know nothing about who Pat is in any way shape or form. Scranton got thumped by double-digits last season alone. Their final four history is quite awhile ago now. I don't sit here telling people Goucher men's basketball is awesome because in the 1990s they won some conference titles.

To say that them teams are better then Scranton this year shows your intelligence dave just like your ignorance when Scranton men played Middlebury.Dave you remember your statement to Coach you actually laughed and said you have no chance well they did.

You are misrepresenting, once again, what I actually said. But since no one will ever learn how they love to twist my words and won't actually listen when told otherwise ... this is pointless.

And having seen many of these teams, BTW, I feel comfortable saying what I say. Having seen Amherst in person ... I am actually a little surprised they aren't third in the polls. Go ahead ... post that in the locker room. I hope it makes you all feel better.

I thought it was Thomas More not moe karma is great.

I wouldn't go around pointing out grammar or sentence mistakes if I was you.

I will say this: go ahead and contact Trevor Woodruff and the rest of the Scranton department. Ask them if I am only negative about them. If they say I am, quote or record them and share that. In fact, have them write me and tell me that. I would be fine hearing it.

See, if they really had a problem with me ... do you think they would be on my show?