WBB: Landmark Conference

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

In-region includes teams within 500 miles, so Scranton's 2 losses are in-region by that inclusion. It would exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw, so I'll amend that. Messiah had a higher Massey relative national SOS ranking than Scranton(#111 v. #175), so those were the 2 reasons that I had Messiah ahead of Scranton.

In region now includes every d3 team they play, so long as 70% of their schedule is geographically in-region. The records listed are the regional records for both teams. That's what will be considered.

I've seen that somewhere in the past but it's not in the prechampionship manual for in region definition. Also, there's mention that only the original submitted schedule is eligible to be considered for tournament selection purposes; doesn't seem to count rescheduled opponents for covid reasons, etc. Might be important for Dave McHugh to address this with his committee chairman interviews.

It was changed a number of years ago and covered pretty extensively at the time.  We don't have a new Manual for this year yet in WBB, but it's in the old one as well.

Section 2.2 has a heading called "Scheduling Requirements" which outlines the 70% minimum for consideration.  Then if you look at the primary criteria in Section 2.3 it says "Win Loss percentage against Division III opponents."  That used to say "against in-region competition."  That's where the changed occurred.

[ronk]

 So, does that mean that in-region competition is the regional ranking consideration but, when then doing the national selection(pools C and B) the consideration expands to any eligible D3 opponents? Otherwise, why have the explicit definition of in-region?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So, does that mean that in-region competition is the regional ranking consideration but, when then doing the national selection(pools C and B) the consideration expands to any eligible D3 opponents? Otherwise, why have the explicit definition of in-region?

All d3 competition is considered for both.  It's the same ranking, the regional committee are just advisory to the national committee, which has final say on both regional rankings and national selection, using the same criteria.

You still have to play 70% of your games in region, which is why the definition still exists.  This prevents a school with money flying around the country to juice its resume.  You have to play the majority of your games relatively close to home.

[saratoga]

Ok, then the biggest takeaway is that the Regional selection is no longer based upon simply "in-region" competition as it used to be.
Therefore, if the Regional Committee is just "advisory', potentially the top team in a specific region may not be looked at as favorably by the National Committee & rather than hosting a first round weekend, may be sent packing.
Is that accurate?
Thanks

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Ok, then the biggest takeaway is that the Regional selection is no longer based upon simply "in-region" competition as it used to be.
Therefore, if the Regional Committee is just "advisory', potentially the top team in a specific region may not be looked at as favorably by the National Committee & rather than hosting a first round weekend, may be sent packing.
Is that accurate?
Thanks

The regional rankings we see are after the national committee has adjusted and approved them.  They're really just ensuring the criteria is applied in the same way across the country, and the head of every RAC is a national committee member, who represents the thought process of the RAC to the national committee.

As for hosting, the women's committee has tended to try and keep hosting duties relatively equal to each region more than the men's committee in recent years.

[saratoga]

Sounds good.
Thanks Ryan.

[NEPAFAN]

Coach begging kids to show up tonight...

https://twitter.com/ScrantonWBB/status/1486314376701394944?s=20

[saratoga]

Another fairly lackluster win for the Lady Royals.
Spurts of offense.
Spurts of defense.
The same silly mistakes/turnovers.
Still no complete game.
Hopefully, one day soon.

[ronk]

 Amazed that with 10 secs on the game clock and 8 on the shot clock at the end of the 3rd quarter a senior took a shot; the standard is shoot with enough time to rebound a missed shot but not enough for the other team to get off a shot at the other end. Cost the Lady Royals 2 points which could have been meaningful. Coach Lewis was seen talking to the offender at the quarter break, presumably reinforcing this strategy.

[Royals85]

I guess winning is not enough?back in my days we didnt have it easy every game!

[ronk]

 There's a considerable difference if one's poor play is self-inflicted. we're not talking winning or losing, but how u play the game.

[saratoga]

Royals 85;
'I guess winning is not enough"?
You should probably re-read your posts from Jan. 11th. & 12th.

[Royals85]

Yes I know what I said but God your constantly harping hopefully you were not cheering for my team back then!What would you like Saratoga  to win every game by 100.

[Royals85]

Ronk or Saratoga I don't know neither one of you but did you guys go out for the coaching job when it was available.See I coach here in my city it takes alot and I wouldn't want my kids (players reading this )and yes I was wrong  but you learn.

[Royals85]

Great part ever since I made the statement about poorly shooting they have risen to the occasion nicely Jan 12th @Susquehanna Fg% 29,Jan 15th 37.9%,Jan 18th home Salisbury41.4%,Jan 19th @ Moravian 43.1%,Jan 22 hame Etown 43.6 and Jan 26th 42.1% So they are doing a great job putting the ball in the basket!Keep it up Ladies!