BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings

[infielddad]

JSG,
I completely agree with your comments on stats being "misleading" and imprecise at the DIII level.
Scouts could care less about stats at the DIII level.  A few years back, my son's roommate, a very, very good pitcher, struck out 19 against a  solid DIII program at the time.
There were 10 scouts as well as 2 cross checkers at the game.  Not  one talked to him afterward.
The other very misleading part about stat comparison, especially in the West region, is the territory is so large  that there isn't comparative consistency in the competition from game to game.  It isn't like they are playing each other over a 20 game period.
Stats can be fun but baseball is a sport where someone can play it very well, and not necessarily have stats that jump out.
Best illustration would be a very good number 2 hitter behind a great leadoff guy.  If he does his job, he has many situations where he is hitting behind runners, especially in close games.  In the score book, he gets an 0-1.
In the coaches mind, he is playing baseball the way it is supposed to be played and executing at a very high level.

[baseballfan24]

Some Guy,

What is the release date of your new rankings?  Just curious when you will have a chance to repost them.

[Just_Some_Guy]

Some Guy,

What is the release date of your new rankings?  Just curious when you will have a chance to repost them.

It's tough to say. I would really like to get a list out by tomorrow evening, but I have a lot of work stuff that takes precedence right now. There have been some very impactful games the last week or so and I suspect that my rankings will have changed quite a bit, but we may be looking at next weekend before you get anything more than ten teams in a list and their record.

Sorry to disappoint, though it is very encouraging to know that some people are looking forward to them.

JSG

[CUAfan]

Until JSG can get his rankings posted, here is my new top 10 in the West by second order winning percentage.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .863 (1)
2. Linfield, NWC - .851 (2)
3. Pomonoa-Pitzer, SCIAC - .810 (3)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .792 (4)
5. Chapman, IND - .782 (6)
6. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .747 (5)
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .708 (7)
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .695 (8 )
9. La Verne, SCIAC - .671 (NR)
10. Cal State East Bay, IND - .666 (NR)

Dropped out: Puget Sound (9), Dallas (10)

[Ralph Turner]

Until JSG can get his rankings posted, here is my new top 10 in the West by second order winning percentage.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .863 (1)
2. Linfield, NWC - .851 (2)
3. Pomonoa-Pitzer, SCIAC - .810 (3)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .792 (4)
5. Chapman, IND - .782 (6)
6. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .747 (5)
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .708 (7)
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .695 (8 )
9. La Verne, SCIAC - .671 (NR)
10. Cal State East Bay, IND - .666 (NR)  In-region record is 9-4.

Dropped out: Puget Sound (9), Dallas (10)

That is the one that the Evaulation committee uses.  Games versus San Jose State or Patten University or even Bethany WV are not primary criteria for the NCAA.

[CUAfan]

Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.

[OshDude]

Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.

When listing records and not stats, I think Ralph's saying it's better to state in-region records because those are the only numbers that mean anything in terms of the postseason.

The in-region record is easy to calculate, especially for West and South teams, if you use the links on the D3baseball homepage. Click on a region on the left. Then choose a team, which takes you to the team's schedule (if the team is a Presto scoreboard provider).

From there the in-region games are clearly noted. Some of the other teams' in-region records are not so easily found. If you find a team that is not directly linked to a schedule complete with in-region games with a bullet point next to the game, find that team's schedule, click on the FAQ section on the left of the D3baseball site, and then on the NCAA tournament link. There you can see which games should be counted for in-region records.

I hate to tread on Ralph's toes and I hope there are no repercussions for doing so, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

[BigPoppa]

Advice for all aspects of life: "When in doubt, ask Ralph."

[BigPoppa]

The West region is looking strong right now with many teams in the rankings... #1 Chapman, #4 Texas-Tyler, #18 Mary Hardin-Baylor, #19 Univ of the Ozarks, #23 Pomona-Pitzer and #24 Redlands.

[Blackcat00]

With Trinity 8 losses and a mojority of them to the ASC, I just dont see them a top 10 team in the Region. There are more respectible teams out their, but then again that is my opinion.

[Ralph Turner]

Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.

Thanks and sorry to get back to you this late.

I always want us fans thinking about In-region criteria, because the month of May will be consumed by Pool B and Pool C jockeying and then tournament seedings.

I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

As for CSU-East Bay, I only had time to go thru one school.

[CUAfan]

I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

No kidding, especially since neither Caltech or the SCIAC can get Caltech's season stats up on either website for some reason.

[BigPoppa]

I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

No kidding, especially since neither Caltech or the SCIAC can get Caltech's season stats up on either website for some reason.

Cal Tech has stats??

[CUAfan]

Well, I presume they do, since they play games...they just might not be very good.

[BigPoppa]

Well, I presume they do, since they play games...they just might not be very good.

That was my point.