Great Lakes Region

[ziggy]

i see hope hosting the first round game this week

Would be a little unfortunate for the Hope women, who are 27-0 and surely deserving to host.  But it is the men's turn to host this year if both are selected. Not begrudging the men at all... but have to acknowledge that the women are deserving

Which brings up something.  I wonder if Hope could decline to host the men.

Wouldn't they just not apply to host on the men's side?

[sac]

i see hope hosting the first round game this week

Would be a little unfortunate for the Hope women, who are 27-0 and surely deserving to host.  But it is the men's turn to host this year if both are selected. Not begrudging the men at all... but have to acknowledge that the women are deserving

Which brings up something.  I wonder if Hope could decline to host the men.

Wouldn't they just not apply to host on the men's side?

That would be one way to do it, but I'm pretty certain Hope has applied to host.  I'm just curious if they or any school would consider declining.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

i see hope hosting the first round game this week

Would be a little unfortunate for the Hope women, who are 27-0 and surely deserving to host.  But it is the men's turn to host this year if both are selected. Not begrudging the men at all... but have to acknowledge that the women are deserving

Which brings up something.  I wonder if Hope could decline to host the men.

Wouldn't they just not apply to host on the men's side?

That would be one way to do it, but I'm pretty certain Hope has applied to host.  I'm just curious if they or any school would consider declining.

I think you apply, just in case they select the men to host and not the women. Hope's women have been through that before - an undefeated team sent on the road.

Seems to me there was a school that did decline several years back  - or I'm just remembering a discussion about that possibility

[northb]

It seems counter-intuitive to have the men decline to host.  The women's team is much more likely to survive a road trip than the men.  It seems you would want the men to have the friendly confines of home court. 

[Roundball999]

It seems counter-intuitive to have the men decline to host.  The women's team is much more likely to survive a road trip than the men.  It seems you would want the men to have the friendly confines of home court. 

I think that if the men are fortunate enough to be selected to host, they should just gratefully accept and not make this overly complicated.  Some day the shoe may be on the other foot in a year when the women have the preference. 

[HOPEful]

It seems counter-intuitive to have the men decline to host.  The women's team is much more likely to survive a road trip than the men.  It seems you would want the men to have the friendly confines of home court. 

I think that if the men are fortunate enough to be selected to host, they should just gratefully accept and not make this overly complicated.  Some day the shoe may be on the other foot in a year when the women have the preference.

Does anyone else think it's funny that there is even a question over whether Hope would/should decline to host so the girls team can? Forget Ann Arbor, sounds like Holland is the Epicenter of Progressive Culture!

[HOPEful]

Also, it seems to me the "declining" would create unwanted precident, even if it was the men declining for the women. The entire purpose of the every other year rule is to create equality. Obviously the idea of the men declining for the women shows how much closer Holland is to "equal" in terms of guys and girls basketball than other places. However, what happens if the guys do decline and next year the roles are reversed (not impossible to imagine with Hope's guys starting 3 underclassman and NVA with another year of eligibility that he has yet to formally anounce whether he will use)... Do we really believe the NCAA would allow the women to "decline" so the men could host?!

[Roundball999]

It seems counter-intuitive to have the men decline to host.  The women's team is much more likely to survive a road trip than the men.  It seems you would want the men to have the friendly confines of home court. 

I think that if the men are fortunate enough to be selected to host, they should just gratefully accept and not make this overly complicated.  Some day the shoe may be on the other foot in a year when the women have the preference.

Does anyone else think it's funny that there is even a question over whether Hope would/should decline to host so the girls team can? Forget Ann Arbor, sounds like Holland is the Epicenter of Progressive Culture!

I think there is nothing unusual about the discussion - and for me gender has nothing to do with it other than the fact that it means there are two teams from the same college with a potential hosting conflict between the two.  For me, it would theoretically be the same discussion if Hope had two men's hoops teams that both potentially could be selected to host.  Or teams from two different sports with a hosting conflict.

That said, there is already a rule for precisely this situation (men/women alternating year preference) so I think they should just go with that if Hope is fortunate enough to be offered to host for both teams.

[KnightSlappy]

Turn one of Ohio Wesleyan's losses to Wittenberg into a win and they're a slam dunk to get in. Instead, they'll probably have to hope DePauw and Wittenberg both get in with time to spare.

[sac]

Turn one of Ohio Wesleyan's losses to Wittenberg into a win and they're a slam dunk to get in. Instead, they'll probably have to hope DePauw and Wittenberg both get in with time to spare.

or don't lose to 8-17 Wabash

[KnightSlappy]

Turn one of Ohio Wesleyan's losses to Wittenberg into a win and they're a slam dunk to get in. Instead, they'll probably have to hope DePauw and Wittenberg both get in with time to spare.

or don't lose to 8-17 Wabash

But it's the 0-2 to Wittenberg that's going to drag them back in the regional rankings.

[sac]

Turn one of Ohio Wesleyan's losses to Wittenberg into a win and they're a slam dunk to get in. Instead, they'll probably have to hope DePauw and Wittenberg both get in with time to spare.

or don't lose to 8-17 Wabash

But it's the 0-2 to Wittenberg that's going to drag them back in the regional rankings.

That is true.

While we're on the subject, DePauw is the one kicking themselves.  Loses to Oberlin and Allegheny.

Either they missed the field with those two losses or lost great seeding because of them.

[kiltedbryan]

Turn one of Ohio Wesleyan's losses to Wittenberg into a win and they're a slam dunk to get in. Instead, they'll probably have to hope DePauw and Wittenberg both get in with time to spare.

or don't lose to 8-17 Wabash

But it's the 0-2 to Wittenberg that's going to drag them back in the regional rankings.

Bishops were up 20 on Witt with less than 15 minutes to go in their first meeting at Witt, but Witt came all the way back to force overtime. OWU also had a 6-point lead early in overtime, then Witt scored the final 8 points of the game to win by 2.

[kiltedbryan]

Hope in and hosting Penn-State Behrend, Witt also in and playing Calvin at Wash U.

Ohio Wesleyan is IN and will face St. Norbert at Illinois Wesleyan.

Wow, three NCAC teams in so far!

[sac]

DePauw isn't going to make it, no  place to go that wouldn't require a flight

no Carthage either