Great Lakes Region

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kiltedbryan

Afternoon results of interest:

DePauw 62
Wooster 63

Ohio Wesleyan 70
Denison 73

sac

#1561
Winners in bold

Thurday:
Hilbert @ Medaille

Friday:
Case Reserve @ Emory

Saturday:
Albion @ Trine
DePauw @ Wooster
Ohio Wesleyan @ Denison
Defiance @ Hanover

Bethany beat St. Vincent 56-53

sac

Thru Sunday 1/25    I left the bolds alone from the week before.  9 loss teams Waynesburg, Ohio Northern and Allegheny are dropped with no realistic chance at ranking or Pool C.


Marietta   17-0
------------------------.900

Wooster   15-2
Penn State-Behrend   16-2
Case Western Reserve   11-2
------------------------.800

Ohio Wesleyan   13-4
John Carroll   12-4
Mount St. Joseph   12-4
Baldwin Wallace   12-4
Calvin   11-4
St. Vincent   12-5
Mount Union   12-5
Thomas More   12-5
------------------------.700

Medaille   11-5
Hilbert   11-5
Trine                     11-5
Defiance   11-5
Hope   10-5
DePauw   11-6
Thiel    8-5
------------------------.600

Denison   10-7
Carnegie Mellon   8-6
Rose-Hulman   9-7
Bethany    10-8
Wabash   7-6
Pitt-Bradford   8-7
Hanover   9-8
Hiram   9-8
Albion   7-7
-----------------------------------.500


This Week's Key Games

Wednesday 1/28
Pitt-Bradford (9-7)  @  PSU-Behrend (16-2)
Hanover (9-8)  @  Mt. St. Joseph (12-4)
Albion (7-7) @  Calvin (11-4)
Baldwin-Wallace (12-4) @ Mt. Union (12-5)
Wooster (15-2) @ Ohio Wesleyan (13-4)
Denison (10-7) @ DePauw (11-6)

Friday 1/30
Carnegie-Mellon (8-6) @ WashU
Case Western (11-2) @ Chicago


Saturday 1/31
Rose-Hulman (9-7) @  Defiance (11-5)
Trine (11-5) @ Hope (10-5)
Thiel (10-5) @ Bethany (10-8)
Baldwin-Wallace (12-4) @ Marietta (17-0)
Ohio Wesleyan (13-4) @ Hiram (9-8)
Wooster (15-2) @ Wabash (7-6)

Sunday 2/1
Carnegie Mellon (8-6) @ Chicago
Case Western (11-2) @  WashU

Really big weeks for Baldwin-Wallace and Case Western.  I think Marietta needs 3 wins to be a lock, but realistically with their schedule remaining they're a virtual lock at this point.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 14, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: sac on January 14, 2015, 09:24:54 AM
*--all have wins over Ill. Tech I did not count due to Ill. Tech's 1st year provisional status. (unless someone can tell me they should count)

Games vs. Year 1 and Year 2 Provisionals do not count in the primary criteria (Year 3 and Year 4 opponents count). They do count in the secondary criteria, however.

I believe these games can count toward the 70% in-region rule, but I'm not 100% sure if that's been officially adopted yet.

Here's this year's handbook, if anyone's interested: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/PreChamps_DIII_MBasketball_2015_Revised3.pdf


Circling back on this a bit late, so I apologize, but they adjusted this rule so that games against provisional schools will count. I know, for example, schools in the CAC last year ended up being hurt by the fact their two games against Southern Virginia didn't count for anything leaving them two games short essentially when they had to play two games. Now, I can't find this change in writing, but I am looking for it. I also may be confusing this with the 70% rule pointed out above, but I am pretty sure there was a more sweeping change to this rule in all sports.
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KnightSlappy

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2015, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 14, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: sac on January 14, 2015, 09:24:54 AM
*--all have wins over Ill. Tech I did not count due to Ill. Tech's 1st year provisional status. (unless someone can tell me they should count)

Games vs. Year 1 and Year 2 Provisionals do not count in the primary criteria (Year 3 and Year 4 opponents count). They do count in the secondary criteria, however.

I believe these games can count toward the 70% in-region rule, but I'm not 100% sure if that's been officially adopted yet.

Here's this year's handbook, if anyone's interested: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/PreChamps_DIII_MBasketball_2015_Revised3.pdf


Circling back on this a bit late, so I apologize, but they adjusted this rule so that games against provisional schools will count. I know, for example, schools in the CAC last year ended up being hurt by the fact their two games against Southern Virginia didn't count for anything leaving them two games short essentially when they had to play two games. Now, I can't find this change in writing, but I am looking for it. I also may be confusing this with the 70% rule pointed out above, but I am pretty sure there was a more sweeping change to this rule in all sports.

I think that's the 70% rule. This year's handbook is still saying 3rd and 4th years count.

Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary
criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.

sac

Updated thru Wed 1/28

Marietta   18-0
------------------------.900


Penn State-Behrend   17-2
Case Western Reserve   11-2
Wooster   15-3
------------------------.800

Ohio Wesleyan   14-4
John Carroll   13-4
Mount St. Joseph   13-4
Calvin   12-4
Mount Union   13-5
Thomas More   13-5
Medaille   12-5
St. Vincent   12-5
Baldwin Wallace   12-5
Hilbert   12-5
Trine           12-5
Defiance   12-5
------------------------.700

Hope   11-5
DePauw   12-6
Thiel    9-5
------------------------.600

Bethany    11-8
Carnegie Mellon   8-6
Denison   10-8
Rose-Hulman   9-8
Hanover   9-9
Hiram   9-9
Pitt-Bradford   8-8
Wabash   7-7
-----------------------------------.500
Albion   7-8

This Week's Key Games

Wednesday 1/28
Pitt-Bradford (9-7)  @  PSU-Behrend (16-2)
Hanover (9-8)  @  Mt. St. Joseph (12-4)
Albion (7-7) @  Calvin (11-4)
Baldwin-Wallace (12-4) @ Mt. Union (12-5)
Wooster (15-2) @ Ohio Wesleyan (13-4)
Denison (10-7) @ DePauw (11-6)

Friday 1/30
Carnegie-Mellon (8-6) @ WashU
Case Western (11-2) @ Chicago


Saturday 1/31
Rose-Hulman (9-7) @  Defiance (11-5)
Trine (11-5) @ Hope (10-5)
Thiel (10-5) @ Bethany (10-8)
Baldwin-Wallace (12-4) @ Marietta (17-0)
Ohio Wesleyan (13-4) @ Hiram (9-8)
Wooster (15-2) @ Wabash (7-6)

Sunday 2/1
Carnegie Mellon (8-6) @ Chicago
Case Western (11-2) @  WashU

If we were ranking teams this weekend  the 5 thru 9 spots would be really interesing.

KnightSlappy

Pick 9 of 10 right now:

Calvin
Case Western Reserve
Hope
John Carroll
Marietta
Mount Union
Ohio Wesleyan
Penn State-Behrend
St. Vincent
Wooster

Top four spots look pretty straight forward:
1. Marietta
2. Ohio Wesleyan
3. Wooster
4. Case Western Reserve

as sac says, 5-9 gets messy. I'd go:

5. John Carroll
6. St. Vincent
7. Calvin
8. Hope
9. Mount Union

That leaves 17-2 Penn-State Behrend out, but Calvin has the h2h over Hope who has the h2h over Mount Union, and they just kind of get pushed out with a .467 SOS.

sac

Big two weekends for Case Western.  4 potential RRO games with WashU/Chicago.  3-1 would put them in a really good position in the GL Rankings, maybe even 2-2 might do that.

Wesleyan's win over Wooster last night was potentially massive for them.  No matter what happens they'll be at worst 2-1 against one of the top teams in the region.

Ohigy

My top 10 would be almost identical to KnightSlappy but I move St. Vincent farther down.  I keep them ahead of Mount Union however due to their win over the Purple Raiders on a neutral court.
1. Marietta
2. Ohio Wesleyan
3. Wooster
4. Case Western Reserve
5. John Carroll
6. Calvin
7. Hope
8. St. Vincent
9. Mount Union
10. Penn State Behrend

Ohigy

Case loses to Chicago 81-72

smedindy

Wabash knocks off Wooster, maybe throwing a bit of chaos into the swirl?
Wabash Always Fights!

Bishopleftiesdad

Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2015, 07:58:55 PM
Wabash knocks off Wooster, maybe throwing a bit of chaos into the swirl?
And they knocked off OWU earlier in the year as well.

Ohigy

Upset Weekend at the top of the Great Lakes region.  4 of the top 6 or 7 teams lost as  Wooster, Case, JCU, and Calvin all go down.   Marietta and Ohio Wesleyan are now solidly at the top for this week.  After that, roll the dice for the #3 spot.

sac

#1573
Updated thru Sun 2/1        Hanover and Hiram drop out with their 10th D3 losses.  I'll hang on to the nine loss teams for another week, but realistically they have little chance at a ranking slot or Pool C.  Added  Anderson, Transylvania and Pitt-Greensburg

Marietta     19-0
------------------------.900

Penn State-Behrend   18-2
Case Western Reserve   12-3
------------------------.800

Ohio Wesleyan      15-4
Wooster    15-4
Mount St. Joseph    14-4
Mount Union    14-5
John Carroll   13-5
Medaille    13-5
St. Vincent    13-5
Thomas More    13-5
Hilbert    13-5
Defiance    13-5
Hope    12-5
Calvin    12-5
------------------------.700

DePauw   13-6
Baldwin Wallace   12-6
Trine           12-6
Thiel    9-6
Bethany    12-8
------------------------.600


Denison   11-8
Anderson 10-8
Transylvania 10-8
Pitt-Greensburg 10-9
Wabash     8-7
Rose-Hulman   9-9
Albion     8-8
Carnegie Mellon   8-8
-----------------------------------.500
Pitt-Bradford    8-9

This Week's Key Games

Wednesday 1/28
Pitt-Bradford (8-9) @ Hilbert (13-5)
Thomas More (13-5) @ Bethany (10-8)
St. Vincent (13-5) @  Waynesburg (11-9)
Anderson (10-8) @ Defiance (13-5)
Mt. St. Joseph (14-4) @ Transylvania (10-8)
Hope (12-5) @ Calvin (12-5)

Friday 1/30
Washington @ Carnegie-Mellon (8-7)
Chicago @ Case Western (11-3)

Saturday 1/31
Pitt-Greensburg (10-9) @ Medaille (13-5)
Thomas More (13-5) @ Thiel (9-6)
Defiance (13-5) @ Mt. St. Joseph (14-4)
Anderson (10-8) @ Transylvania (10-8)
Hope (12-5) @ Albion (8-8)
Denison (11-8) @ Wooster (15-4)

Sunday 2/1
Chicago @ Carnegie-Mellon (8-7)
Washington @ Case Western (11-3)


It should be a pretty quiet week in the OAC and NCAC.  The MIAA has a couple under the radar games with Adrian(6-9) that could have impact.  The HCAC has 4 pretty important games for their standings including Saturday's Defiance/Mt. St. Joseph game which could ultimately decide the title.

If we ranked today, PSU-Behrend has to be ranked right?   Like Wooster last year Marietta now has a pretty big cushion as the #1 ranked team. 

David Collinge

Quote from: sac on February 01, 2015, 10:16:57 AM
It should be a pretty quiet week in the OAC and NCAC.
Wittenberg may not be in the running for a ranking or a C bid, but their game Wednesday vs. OWU is hu-u-u-u-uge. If the Tigers win, it shakes up the NCAC races for both first and third, and if they lose, it all but guarantees their first losing season in nearly 60 years. (They *could* lose, then win out and reach the NCAC final, where they would be 14-13, but that's somewhat less than likely.)