Great Lakes Region

[smedindy]

All someone ever did was raise the possibility, based on criteria and examination, that Marietta may not be the #1 ranked team in the region when the first rankings come out. I've seen regional rankings go against 'conventional wisdom' many times thanks to the application of the criteria. Sorry if this board isn't a Marietta-love fest, but a reasonable examination of the data and criteria.

It's never pretty when blatant homerism clouds a discussion like this, where we're doing our best to 'guess' what the criteria and rankings should be...

[Pat Coleman]

You know, the crap of this for me is that I wouldn't mind applying at CWT but I hesitate to because I don't know if I could work with you if I had to.

This really isn't great conflict mitigation on your part to re-open old wounds, and to post something that clearly is not going to be well accepted, whilst making no attempt whatsoever to even pretend to address my position and point of view.

Yeah. Over the line when you start talking about the day job. I wouldn't recommend you for a job that involved communications, for sure.

[Jim Dixon]

So a bunch of posts get deleted, but this blatant personal attack is allowed to remain?

Yeah I'm not being treated unfairly or anything...that's two cheap shots that have gone completely unchallenged.

For the record it was me who deleted a couple of posts that were headed off topic.  I certainly did not intent to treat anyone unfairly and no cheap shot was intended.  To the extent that my intentions went awry, I apologize. 

Now lets get back to a discussion on Great Lakes basketball.

[ettaexpress]

You know you could delete that if you really felt like it was so far over the line.

It's the truth. I had a class with MCN this year and really liked her and what I learned in the class and about the CCs through her.

Ironically, you know I'm good at communications, yet you wouldn't recommend me for a job there? Not that I was necessarily targeting a job where your recommendation would be expected, really.

I guess it's just a bit unfortunate for me that we met here because of how it might close a door that I would like to be open. I guess it still could be, but I don't know it if it would be worth it.

Since I'm moderated now, you can make the choice whether to post this or not. I really don't care which you do, and it'll be my last post for some time. You say you want me to quit posting, so have it your way.

[Pat Coleman]

I mean, honestly, you're so combative here, who would want that in their workplace? Nobody wants it here in a place they go to voluntarily so why would they want it in a place we're forced to go?

[ettaexpress]

I don't think I am what you claim me to be. I don't back down when I think I'm right and when someone hasn't adequately shown I'm not. I don't think that's a negative here, or in a workplace. I could point out that my refusal to back down here resulted in more information, and that it is practically inevitable that I'll be proven right. No one ever showed an example of an undefeated team being ranked lower with this many games played than 4-5 loss teams, and I can't really remember it in baseball either. So I don't think any reason has been shown that I should have capitulated.

I also almost always have good reason and backing for why my view is what it is. I don't just take a stance for the sake of it out of nowhere or without reason. Leaders need to be tough when there's reason to be so. That's not the only thing they need to be, by any stretch, but it's what is most relevant to this particular sequence of events.

I could say more and give more reasons why I think your view is askew, but I'm not convinced it would matter.

But no one forces you to go to work. I've been forced to go to work before, but that's because I signed a contract enforceable by time in a federal prison. I don't expect that will ever be the case again.

And with that, I don't think I have anything else to say. I've given the work I've done so far to Jim and informed him that I cannot complete it. I don't like doing this because I know the position I'm putting him in, but you've made clear that you don't want me here and you don't value what I contribute here, or what I could contribute elsewhere. So I'm giving you what you want -- less of me.

[Pat Coleman]

Bailing on an assignment is your choice, not mine.

[sac]

Couple games today

Sunday 2/8
Chicago @ Carnegie-Mellon (8-7)
Washington @ Case Western (11-3)

[northb]

Wow.......

[Ohigy]

After the loss to Chicago on Friday, today's game vs. Wash U is critical for Case Western.  Case is currently a game behind Chicago and a loss today would put them in a in the middle of the pack behind Chicago and Emory and tied with WashU and several other teams.

[David Collinge]

What I don't understand in all this is that the bee in ettaexpress' bonnet seems to be that he is insulted or outraged that anyone would assert that Marietta is not the best team in the region and will not or should not be the regional #1 in the first ranking, and nobody has made that assertion. From very beginning, he's been trying to slay a dragon that does not exist, and getting angrier and less rational (and much more prolific) about it all along. Bizarre.

Sorry you had to get involved, Pat and Jim.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

I agree David, during this whole discussion no one ever said that Marietta did not deserve the number one ranking, but that based on the criteria people could see why they may not be.
This was typical. His battles across other boards over the years are well known, to those of us who follow baseball. About baseball anyway, he is very knowledgeable. He knows alot about the teams and the game accross regions. The problem has always been his delivery.
It seems to me that he has a strong sense of justice and when he perceives that something close or dear to him is slighted,  he lashes out. I have seen him target particular posters that have slighted him,  unitl he gets satisfaction.

I miss his knowledge but not the disruptions. I understand how he can be a valuable contributor with his knowlege and insight, in baseball anyway. I just wish he could get along.

[Ohigy]

WashU 95, Case 75

[ettaexpress]

I don't know any less about basketball than baseball. Just a little less familiar with history, but that's not really that relevant. I'm actually better at teaching and playing basketball than baseball.

No one EVER made any kind of real case for why anyone should even consider the possibility that Marietta wouldn't be the top regional rank. "The criteria" is not a case. No one ever showed where an undefeated team with 20+ plus wins has been ranked behind a team with 4-5 losses. That 0 matters, because there's no baseline for who *can* beat an undefeated team, and so the SOS and all of that are basically irrelevant. Much different if a team has even 1 loss.

I don't think a strong sense of justice is a bad thing at all. I'll wear that label all day long.

What Jim did made sense. What Pat did only escalated things. Very poor conflict management, so poor that I can only deduce that he didn't intend to mitigate it.

I wish a lot of things about other people.

Deleting this account now. Toodles.

[Pat Coleman]

By the time I came to the conversation, etta, you were beyond mitigation. When you're on a rampage, there's nothing I'm going to be able to do about it other than try to slow the conversation down with the moderation tools at my disposal.