Great Lakes Region

[KnightSlappy]

Marietta and Wittenberg could probably go either way.

the RvRROs are:

Wittenberg:
W Wabash
W Wooster
L Wooster

Marietta:
W Albion
W John Carroll
W Transylvania (could drop out?)
W York (Pa.) (5th in MA)
L John Carroll
L Mount Union
L Mount Union

I don't know if it's instructive, or if the RACs look at this at all, but stripping out conference games from RvRRO gives Wittenberg nothing and Marietta wins over Albion, York PA, and Transylvania, which looks better.

If they go to secondary criteria, Wittenberg is doomed. NCSOS: is .363 (OOF!) vs. .596 for Marietta.

[sac]

We still doing once ranked always ranked or no?

Wittenberg plays at Wabash tonight.  Figure a Witt win probably knocks Wabash out for next week but maybe not.

[KnightSlappy]

We still doing once ranked always ranked or no?

Wittenberg plays at Wabash tonight.  Figure a Witt win probably knocks Wabash out for next week but maybe not.

It is not once ranked always ranked, but the final two rankings -- next week and the final week -- will both count for that.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

We still doing once ranked always ranked or no?

Wittenberg plays at Wabash tonight.  Figure a Witt win probably knocks Wabash out for next week but maybe not.

Only team ranked next week (week 3) and the final ranking on March 1st will be counted as "ranked" opponents for vRRO purposes.  Each ranking counts only the week before and the current ranking.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

We still doing once ranked always ranked or no?

Wittenberg plays at Wabash tonight.  Figure a Witt win probably knocks Wabash out for next week but maybe not.

Only team ranked next week (week 3) and the final ranking on March 1st will be counted as "ranked" opponents for vRRO purposes.  Each ranking counts only the week before and the current ranking.

As Ryan said ... Week 2's rankings will influence the vRRO for Week 3, but then it's role in all of this is over. The "final" rankings will be influenced by Week 3's ... and then the absolute final rankings are done after vRRO is recalcuated ... and that vRRO will have the Week 3's and the "final" rankings tabulated.

See if can explain it better:


 
   
   
   
   
   
   

	vRRO Data
Week 1	- none -
Week 2	Week 1
Week 3	Week 2
Final	Week 3
Finale/Selections	Week 3 & Final

[sac]

Great Lakes          
1    Mount Union    20-3    20-3
2    Marietta    19-4    19-4
3    Wittenberg    22-1    22-1
4    Wooster    17-6    17-6
5    Albion    19-4    19-4
6    Wabash    16-7    16-7
7    John Carroll    15-8    15-8
8    Hanover    15-7    16-7
9    Pitt-Greensburg    20-4    20-4

red= losses

Wabash will probably keep its ranking spot which helps Wittenberg.  They do host a pretty decent Oberlin team this weekend, might stay ranked even if they lose that one.   I don't know where the committee turns for #8/#9, Transylvania maybe,  maybe same.

LaRoche, Behrend, Franklin, Grove City all have serious SOS issues.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third

[sac]

Great Lakes AQ's, All 6 are different from last year,   Grove City, LaRoche and Transy all won at least a share of their reg. season titles.
OAC    Mt. Union
NCAC  Wooster
MIAA   Adrian
PAC     Grove City
AMCC  LaRoche
HCAC  Transylvania




Great Lakes Pool C's

2008--Capital, Wooster
2009--Capital, Carnegie-Mellon
2010--John Carroll
2011--Wittenberg, PSU-Behrend
2012--Wittenberg, Ohio Wesleyan
2013--Wooster
2014--Hope, Wittenberg, Ohio Wesleyan
2015--Marietta, John Carroll, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster
2016--Marietta, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster, Hope
2017--Hope
2018--Wooster, Marietta
2019--Wooster, Marietta, Capital
2020--Wittenberg, Marietta

HCAC teams  Anderson(2010), Hanover(2011), Transylvania(2012, 2013) received Pool C's from the Midwest Region.

NCAC--14
OAC--10
MIAA--3
UAA--1
AMCC--1
PAC--0
HCAC--4 (all from Midwest Region)

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Round 1: 3-5 (1-3 against non GL teams)
Round 2: 2-1

Wittenberg @ Mount Union Fri 7:30pm

[HOPEful]

This seems as good a place as any to air this small grievance...

How is it that the Great Lakes Invitational does not have a single team in it from anywhere near a Great Lake? Marietta, the host, is a good 2.5 hours from Cleveland... and Lake Erie is definitely the least great of the Great Lakes. Wabash is the closest of the bunch, 2 hours from Lake Michigan, but that's Gary, Indiana, not really a Lake Michigan summer destination. Wilmington and Wittenberg, although both in Ohio, are just as far from Lake Erie as Marietta.

This very cool tournament that I hope continues to succeed either needs a new name or more appropriate representation from teams in the MIAA, CCIW, SUNYAC, and WIAC that are actually near a Great Lake.

[Gregory Sager]

This seems as good a place as any to air this small grievance...

How is it that the Great Lakes Invitational does not have a single team in it from anywhere near a Great Lake? Marietta, the host, is a good 2.5 hours from Cleveland... and Lake Erie is definitely the least great of the Great Lakes. Wabash is the closest of the bunch, 2 hours from Lake Michigan, but that's Gary, Indiana, not really a Lake Michigan summer destination.

It's also two hours from Indiana Dunes State Park and Indiana Dunes National Park, and the Indiana Dunes are indeed quite a Lake Michigan summer destination.

[WUPHF]

It could be worse...  Look at a map of the Great Lakes Valley Conference. Not a single institution Northeast of I-74 and more schools in Missouri than Illinois and Indiana combined.

I do like the name though.

[y_jack_lok]

It could be worse...  Look at a map of the Great Lakes Valley Conference. Not a single institution Northeast of I-74 and more schools in Missouri than Illinois and Indiana combined.

I do like the name though.

Definitely a much better name than The Ohio River Invitational which would be more geographically appropriate given where Marietta is. Maybe another school closer to the Great Lakes can host in the future.

[HOPEful]

It's also two hours from Indiana Dunes State Park and Indiana Dunes National Park, and the Indiana Dunes are indeed quite a Lake Michigan summer destination.

Fair. Indiana Dunes is a pretty cool park. On a clear day, you can make out the Chicago skyline from the top of the dune or at sunset. I will concede that Wabash is a fringe candidate to legitimately call themselves a "Great Lakes" team.