Great Lakes Region

[kiltedbryan]

Both Capital and John Carroll win tonight in the OAC quarterfinals.  Calvin won in the MIAA quarters.  So far, so good in the Great Lakes for playing out according to form.  Wooster probably needs to make the NCAC final to bolster C chances; same story for Calvin in the MIAA.  JCU and Capital probably became locks with the wins tonight regardless of how the OAC plays out.

Does that seem right?

[Hugenerd]

Both Capital and John Carroll win tonight in the OAC quarterfinals.  Calvin won in the MIAA quarters.  So far, so good in the Great Lakes for playing out according to form.  Wooster probably needs to make the NCAC final to bolster C chances; same story for Calvin in the MIAA.  JCU and Capital probably became locks with the wins tonight regardless of how the OAC plays out.

Does that seem right?

Sounds good to me.

[ziggy]

Well I supposes it depends on who you ask.  I have it on good authority that the  Great Lakes Region reps submitted the rankings with Calvin #4, Wooster #5, there was also a tie at #6. 

The National Committee changed the rankings (which they can do)

To me its clear why, and no one should be happy about it.  Fortunately it will all be cleared up with the invisible rankings next week.

Transparency and accountability through invisibility: The NCAA way!

[Civic Minded]

Well I supposes it depends on who you ask.  I have it on good authority that the  Great Lakes Region reps submitted the rankings with Calvin #4, Wooster #5, there was also a tie at #6. 

The National Committee changed the rankings (which they can do)

To me its clear why, and no one should be happy about it.  Fortunately it will all be cleared up with the invisible rankings next week.

Transparency and accountability through invisibility: The NCAA way!

They're Democrats?  Ah...that explains a lot.   

[Knight81]

Both Capital and John Carroll win tonight in the OAC quarterfinals.  Calvin won in the MIAA quarters.  So far, so good in the Great Lakes for playing out according to form.  Wooster probably needs to make the NCAC final to bolster C chances; same story for Calvin in the MIAA.  JCU and Capital probably became locks with the wins tonight regardless of how the OAC plays out.

Does that seem right?

With Calvin ranked 4th or 5th in the region, what are the Knights chances of making the tournament if they lose in the conference finals? Assuming both Calvin and Hope make it to the finals, since they are so evenly matched, I have to think Hope has a pretty good chance of winning if they play a third time.

[ziggy]

Both Capital and John Carroll win tonight in the OAC quarterfinals.  Calvin won in the MIAA quarters.  So far, so good in the Great Lakes for playing out according to form.  Wooster probably needs to make the NCAC final to bolster C chances; same story for Calvin in the MIAA.  JCU and Capital probably became locks with the wins tonight regardless of how the OAC plays out.

Does that seem right?

With Calvin ranked 4th or 5th in the region, what are the Knights chances of making the tournament if they lose in the conference finals? Assuming both Calvin and Hope make it to the finals, since they are so evenly matched, I have to think Hope has a pretty good chance of winning if they play a third time.

Chances would have been a lot better with a win at Kalamazoo...

[northb]

Both Capital and John Carroll win tonight in the OAC quarterfinals.  Calvin won in the MIAA quarters.  So far, so good in the Great Lakes for playing out according to form.  Wooster probably needs to make the NCAC final to bolster C chances; same story for Calvin in the MIAA.  JCU and Capital probably became locks with the wins tonight regardless of how the OAC plays out.

Does that seem right?

With Calvin ranked 4th or 5th in the region, what are the Knights chances of making the tournament if they lose in the conference finals? Assuming both Calvin and Hope make it to the finals, since they are so evenly matched, I have to think Hope has a pretty good chance of winning if they play a third time.

See the MIAA board for a review of the issue of third games in a season.  With Calvin having won 2 games already, playing at home where they are finally clicking, I would put them as the favorite, not Hope (if there can be a favorite in this rivalry).

[David Collinge]

OAC:
Capital 63, ONU 58
John Carroll 83, Muskingum 69

Championship game: #2 Capital at #1 JCU, 7:30pm Saturday.  The winner gets the automatic NCAA bid and a fairly likely home regional, while the loser probably gets the booby prize of a Pool C bid.



NCAC:
Wooster 89, Kenyon 71
Wabash 73, Allegheny 56

Championship game: #6 Wabash at #1 Wooster, 7:00pm Saturday.  The winner gets the automatic NCAA bid, while the loser likely goes home.  If Wooster wins, I'd anticipate their being sent to the regional sure to be at the OAC champ's site.  That's also where they'd probably go if, by some miracle, they got a Pool C bid after a loss.  Where Wabash would go is beyond my ken.

[sac]

Beyond JCU and Capital there doesn't seem to be any other hosting worthy Great Lakes teams.  Its not inconceivable(though unlikely) that both JCU and Capital could earn a hosting weekend with one getting a bye.

[sac]

We'll never see what the final Great Lakes Region rankings are........I might take a stab at them this way

1. John Carroll
2. Capital
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. Wooster
5. Hope
6. Calvin

I think you could legitimately flip Hope or Calvin, it really doesn't matter since Hope has the AQ.

This would make Calvin Pool C #3 from the Great Lakes,  Capital should go early, and Carnegie soon after so Calvin's name should be in the discussion for a long time.  They have a pretty good in-region record in their favor  14-3, with a wins versus ranked teams of 2-1 vs inregion, 2-2 including Wheaton (thats assuming Hope gets ranked, can't believe they wouldn't, also can't remember if Carthage was ever ranked, that would be a negative).   I'm not sure what their OWP and OOWP will finish but they'll be helped by having played Hope 3 times whose now 14-4, but 13-2 is what Calvin would count.

However there was quite a bit of carnage across D3 today, that will hurt.

I don't know its not inconceivable that Calvin could slide in much the same way Wheaton did a year ago.  Ironic that there still might be Hope.

[Mr. Ypsi]

CMU and Elmhurst should go off roughly the same time, leaving Calvin and Augie together at the table.  It's way too late at night for me to try to figure out who else would be there, or even to figure out how Calvin and Augie compare, but an intriguing match-up.

[sac]

CMU and Elmhurst should go off roughly the same time, leaving Calvin and Augie together at the table.  It's way too late at night for me to try to figure out who else would be there, or even to figure out how Calvin and Augie compare, but an intriguing match-up.

Kind of looking that way, but I made that post without really reading the whole Pool C thread........yikes, even more carnage than I thought.  Anymore tommorrow and it may not matter at all.  I do think Calvin's name will be on the table though.

[Pat Coleman]

Calvin's name is on the table in the projection. We also regionally rank Hope. Projection has seven Pool C spots left.

[sac]

Gettysburg beat Franklin and Marshall this evening, thats probably another Pool C bid gone.

TitanQ seems to feel there are only 2 bids unaccounted for.......really bad news for Carnegie and Calvin.

Here's his post from the Pool C discussion

I think 16 of the 18 Pool C's are basically accounted for:

(in no particular order)

1. UW-Whitewater
2. Buena Vista
3. St. Mary's (Md)
4. Guilford
5. UW-Platteville
6. Elmhurst
7. Capital
8. Rhode Island
9. St. Lawrence
10. Salem St.
11. Trinity-Tx
12. Ithaca
13. Farmingdale St.
14. Worcester Poly
15. Puget Sound
16. Franklin & Marshall

Candidates for final 2 spots:

(in no particular order)

* Randolph-Macon
* Hamilton
* Augustana
* Carnegie-Mellon
* Calvin
* Amherst
* Brandeis

[goscots]

D3Hoops does not have Franklin & Marshall in their projections, thus they project the three remaining spots going to Amherst, Brandies, and CM