Great Lakes Region

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

If anyone is curious, SOS numbers are back up on the NCAA site. You can get to them via the D3hoops.com blog.

[sac]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

[Pat Coleman]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

Not that I've seen. I know one member of the national committee was informed via Twitter but I generally don't send the committee just one change -- if there are other changes that should also be included I'd bundle them up and not send a bunch of individual emails. I'm sure it's the Covenant game. They list Covenant at 6-5 but they should be 6-6.

[KnightSlappy]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

Not that I've seen. I know one member of the national committee was informed via Twitter but I generally don't send the committee just one change -- if there are other changes that should also be included I'd bundle them up and not send a bunch of individual emails. I'm sure it's the Covenant game. They list Covenant at 6-5 but they should be 6-6.

Pestered is a better word.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Greg, agree on MIT and Johns Hopkins, but Caltech can't even compete in the SCIAC!  They would be absolutely routed in every game in the UAA.

Yes, but Chuck, that has absolutely nothing to do with the profile of the schools, which is what this discussion is about. Caltech, like the other schools named, is an elite, mid-sized research university. The fact that it stinks at sports has nothing to do with the school's institutional profile or its resources; it has to do with the fact that the school utilizes a, shall we say, quirky admissions-gatekeeper methodology that strongly militates against the ability of Caltech coaches to get student-athletes admitted. In other words, it's a totally elective variable on Caltech's part and not an inherent athletics weakness, institutionally speaking.

Greg, I'm well aware that conference composition has more facets than just athletic compatibility, but that is the public face (UAA after all stands for University Athletic Association).  Would Caltech student-athletes (a term that can still be used with a straight face in d3) be well-served by moving to a conference where they would be utterly annihilated, rather than nearly always losing, but often competitive?

I hadn't realized that their baseball team just might be even less competitive than their football and basketball teams!  They recently broke a 228-game (d3 record) nonconference losing streak, beating Pacifica in the second game of a doubleheader.  They responded in a properly composed manner, leading their coach (Matthew Mark) to say something that made Sports Illustrated's 'They Said It' (essentially 'quote of the week'): "It was almost as if they had been there before."   (Their last nonconference win had been 10 years ago, when probably all the current players were in Little League.)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not to mention a travel schedule for Caltech that would make the rest of the UAA look like NPU vs. Wheaton!

[sac]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

Not that I've seen. I know one member of the national committee was informed via Twitter but I generally don't send the committee just one change -- if there are other changes that should also be included I'd bundle them up and not send a bunch of individual emails. I'm sure it's the Covenant game. They list Covenant at 6-5 but they should be 6-6.

I thought Covenant was year 3 provisional.  Are year 3 provisional schools not counting now?

[KnightSlappy]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

Not that I've seen. I know one member of the national committee was informed via Twitter but I generally don't send the committee just one change -- if there are other changes that should also be included I'd bundle them up and not send a bunch of individual emails. I'm sure it's the Covenant game. They list Covenant at 6-5 but they should be 6-6.

I thought Covenant was year 3 provisional.  Are year 3 provisional schools not counting now?

Year 3 counts. Covenant is getting credit for playing regional games, but they're a loss short and Hope is a win short on the count. Can't believe they missed the West Michigan--Georgia regional connection!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Have we received any word on why they have Hope's in-region record incorrect?

Should be 10-5

North Central
Wheaton
Covenant
Mississippi Coll.
Aurora
10 MIAA contests

Not that I've seen. I know one member of the national committee was informed via Twitter but I generally don't send the committee just one change -- if there are other changes that should also be included I'd bundle them up and not send a bunch of individual emails. I'm sure it's the Covenant game. They list Covenant at 6-5 but they should be 6-6.

I thought Covenant was year 3 provisional.  Are year 3 provisional schools not counting now?

Year 3 counts. Covenant is getting credit for playing regional games, but they're a loss short and Hope is a win short on the count. Can't believe they missed the West Michigan--Georgia regional connection!

That IS as obvious as, say, Wheaton/Occidental!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I have been told that oversight is being taken care of.

[sac]

I have been told that oversight is being taken care of.

Ya know if you read this in a James Gandolfini voice its much more entertaining.  I would add a pause after 'told' with a little eye blink.

[sac]

Last weeks rankings:

1 Wooster 
2 Ohio Wesleyan
3. Thomas More
4. Calvin
5. St. Vincent
6. Marietta

Wooster won twice over OWU/Witt. 
Ohio Wesleyan lost to Wooster, beat Hiram
Thomas More beat Westminster and Thiel
Calvin beat Alma, lost to Hope
St. Vincent beat Geneva and Bethany
Marietta lost to Capital beat Bald-Wallace

I'd guess this weeks will be:

1.  Wooster 19-3
2.  Thomas More 19-2
3.  Ohio Wesleyan 17-4
4.  St. Vincent 16-3
5.  Calvin 15-1
6.  Capital  17-4

Really the only other Great Lakes teams to be considered:

Hope 12-5
Marietta 16-6
Bald-Wally  16-6
Adrian 11-6
Witt 11-7
PSU-Behrend 16-7

[KnightSlappy]

I'd guess this weeks will be:

1.  Wooster 19-3
2.  Thomas More 19-2
3.  Ohio Wesleyan 17-4
4.  St. Vincent 16-3
5.  Calvin 15-1
6.  Capital  17-4

Really the only other Great Lakes teams to be considered:

Hope 12-5
Marietta 16-6
Bald-Wally  16-6
Adrian 11-6
Witt 11-7
PSU-Behrend 16-7

If Thomas More moves up to number two we can all just quit and go home. According to my numbers they only have a .003 SOS advantage over Calvin right now (two road games helped the Knights this week) and they're obviously behind on the winning percentage.

HOPEing the Dutchmen can sneak in next week with two wins. Adding 2-1 versus regionally ranked would give Calvin a boost.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

KnightSlappy... I have an answer to why your calculations are slightly off... I will be posting a blog on the topic hopefully later tonight - worse case tomorrow morning.

[sac]

I'd guess this weeks will be:

1.  Wooster 19-3
2.  Thomas More 19-2
3.  Ohio Wesleyan 17-4
4.  St. Vincent 16-3
5.  Calvin 15-1
6.  Capital  17-4

Really the only other Great Lakes teams to be considered:

Hope 12-5
Marietta 16-6
Bald-Wally  16-6
Adrian 11-6
Witt 11-7
PSU-Behrend 16-7

If Thomas More moves up to number two we can all just quit and go home. According to my numbers they only have a .003 SOS advantage over Calvin right now (two road games helped the Knights this week) and they're obviously behind on the winning percentage.

HOPEing the Dutchmen can sneak in next week with two wins. Adding 2-1 versus regionally ranked would give Calvin a boost.

Would love it myself but I can't see it.......

A)  The OAC schools Capital and Marietta are both probably ahead of Hope in the math.  Neither should be troubled next week.

B)  As long as the Great Lakes committee continues to rank two teams from the PAC and keep a straight face about it there just isn't going to be room in a region that only ranks six teams.  This next week Thomas More plays Bethany and St. Vincent plays Waynesburg.  Thomas More and St. Vincent play each other next Saturday......so perhaps the next week one will drop out but I doubt it.