Great Lakes Region

[KnightSlappy]

Guessing:

1. Wooster
2. Thomas More (ugh)
3. Calvin (can't justify higher based on the new "special" numbers)
4. Ohio Wesleyan (could justify anywhere 2-4)
5. St. Vincent (ugh)
6. Capital

Hope would be next.

[sac]

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3/regional_rankings

1   Wooster                    19-3   19-3         
2   Ohio Wesleyan    17-4   17-5         
3   Thomas More            19-2   20-3         
4   Capital                    17-4   17-6         
5   Saint Vincent            16-3   18-5         
6   Calvin                        16-1   20-3

[wally_wabash]

Did Calvin keep the RAC chair's daughter out past curfew or something?  Yeesh. 

[smedindy]

Wow. By any objective or subjective measure known to me, Calvin should be no worse than 4th here. Really, they should be 2nd or 3rd at very worst. Thomas More's a decent team - in the 40's in the Massey rating. Their best win is Spalding though (however, having DePauw go el-tanko in the NCAC is hurting them...) but Calvin beats them 6 or 7 out of 10.

However, Calvin's ranking may be predestined...

[KnightSlappy]

Hope's record is still wrong on the NCAA data sheet.

[sac]

Hope's record is still wrong on the NCAA data sheet.

I'd expect nothing less.

[KnightSlappy]

Hope's record is still wrong on the NCAA data sheet.

I'd expect nothing less.

Could have been enough to push Hope into the #6 spot based on what it looks like they're doing.

[sac]

Just in case an regional reps should drop by and read this here are Hope's in-region games and why.

North Central--under 200 miles
Wheaton--under 200 miles
Covenant--administrative region 3
Mississippi College--administrative region 3
Aurora--under 200 miles

As of this reporting date Hope has played 12 MIAA contests.

Total of 17 in-region games with a 12-5 record.

[neilrocks]

Just in case an regional reps should drop by and read this here are Hope's in-region games and why.

North Central--under 200 miles
Wheaton--under 200 miles
Covenant--administrative region 3
Mississippi College--administrative region 3
Aurora--under 200 miles

As of this reporting date Hope has played 12 MIAA contests.

Total of 17 in-region games with a 12-5 record.

As with a few previous discussions, I will be the first to admit (others have said I don't too), I don't understand or have near the knowledge that several posters on this board do when it comes to regional rankings and formulas.  I will also say, based on what I have seen this year, I will never spend the time to understand them.

All I can say, is based on Calvin's current #6 ranking and having Hope's record still wrong, the NCAA should be (but I'm sure their not) embarrased.

This process is just a disgrace.

Somehow, someway, I hope that Hope and Calvin both make the NCAA tourney and then "on the court" show some of these higher ranked teams, what really matters.  I understand it is not the "fault" of the higher ranked teams, but I sure will enjoy it if Hope and/or Calvin come head to head with a couple of these teams and defeat them.

Guess the next thing to worry about will be if Hope's women lose 3 times to Calvin women and that is their only losses and they don't get in.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Per Hope... I know the message was relayed... and I was told it would be adjusted... I am not sure why it wasn't.

Two key things Calvin has going against them: an SOS of .431 which is roughly in the bottom 1/4 of the country... and no results versus regionally ranked opponents. We have seen over the last two years that these two keys will hurt a team if they have a low SOS and if they didn't play a lot of teams that ended up being regionally ranked. Franciscan and Pitt-Greensburg are the only other two teams in the Great Lakes region with no opponents that have been ranked regionally.

[KnightSlappy]

Per Hope... I know the message was relayed... and I was told it would be adjusted... I am not sure why it wasn't.

Two key things Calvin has going against them: an SOS of .431 which is roughly in the bottom 1/4 of the country... and no results versus regionally ranked opponents. We have seen over the last two years that these two keys will hurt a team if they have a low SOS and if they didn't play a lot of teams that ended up being regionally ranked. Franciscan and Pitt-Greensburg are the only other two teams in the Great Lakes region with no opponents that have been ranked regionally.

Also a good time to remember Birmingham Southern got in last year with a .917 WP, a .441 SOS, and no games vs. regionally ranked.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yep... and F&M made up for their low SOS to secure two weekends of hosting. Calvin can easily move up the rankings - we have seen it happen in the past.

[sac]

Wheaton is regionally ranked, Calvin played Wheaton

probably more data they are leaving out.

[ziggy]

Wheaton is regionally ranked, Calvin played Wheaton

probably more data they are leaving out.

Secondary criteria, though. Out of region game.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah: in-region results versus regionally ranked opponents is primary.