Great Lakes Region

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

November is already factor in when they do the previous regional rankings, for starters... and in small regions, falling out of the rankings is pretty easy. Again, this isn't just a basketball thing, clearly there were issues with this in other sports or they wouldn't have made the change.

And a loss in November is kind of even with a loss in February, my point was it may have been an early conference tournament loss precluding the team from getting more games or wins, so the loss is bad from a timing point of view.

[ziggy]

Too bad Hope wasn't having a better season as many, including myself, expected... you could add at least one more to that list. Very interesting indeed, KnightSlappy.

Well, Hope is having a better season than the NCAA is currently giving them credit for...

[smedindy]

Too bad Hope wasn't having a better season as many, including myself, expected... you could add at least one more to that list. Very interesting indeed, KnightSlappy.

Well, Hope is having a better season than the NCAA is currently giving them credit for...

They're 47thj in Massey,  so it's not like they're having an elite season to end all seasons. Eight losses is squarely bubble-licious.

[oldknight]

Provocative post on KnightSlappy's blog leading with the assertion that the NCAA SOS calculation is simply wrong.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2013/02/definitive-proof-that-ncaas-new-sos.html

[KnightSlappy]

Provocative post on KnightSlappy's blog leading with the assertion that the NCAA SOS calculation is simply wrong.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2013/02/definitive-proof-that-ncaas-new-sos.html

Had Calvin played Finlandia and Manchester at home instead of on the road, it would have raised their OWP by .012.

[KnightSlappy]

For next week it's looking like:

Wooster
Ohio Wesleyan
Thomas More
St. Vincent
Capital
Calvin

had Marietta not been ranked in the first rankings (or if the criteria didn't use the always dumb once-ranked always ranked method), we would probably be looking at:

Wooster
Ohio Wesleyan
Thomas More
St. Vincent
Calvin
Hope

[KnightSlappy]

Perhaps I spoke too soon. I just updated my numbers again, and it looks like Hope (and Calvin) could sneak in ahead of Capital come Wednesday's rankings.

[smedindy]

I think "once ranked always ranked" is considered 'dumb' if it adversely affects you...

[KnightSlappy]

I think "once ranked always ranked" is considered 'dumb' if it adversely affects you...

That's why one incessantly points it out, of course ( ), but Marietta is nowhere close to being ranked right now.

[sac]

Perhaps I spoke too soon. I just updated my numbers again, and it looks like Hope (and Calvin) could sneak in ahead of Capital come Wednesday's rankings.

They won't drop Capital behind Hope.  I'd just settle for getting Hope's w/l record correct, we'll go from there.  Baby steps.

[KnightSlappy]

Perhaps I spoke too soon. I just updated my numbers again, and it looks like Hope (and Calvin) could sneak in ahead of Capital come Wednesday's rankings.

They won't drop Capital behind Hope.  I'd just settle for getting Hope's w/l record correct, we'll go from there.  Baby steps.

A non-insignificant factor: if they don't get Hope's record correct and that's enough to keep them below Capital.

[KnightSlappy]

Trying to make it 0-3 in my predictions for the regional rankings. I see two possibilities for this week:

1. Wooster
2. Ohio Wesleyan
3. Thomas More
4. St. Vincent
5. Calvin
6. Capital

or

1. Wooster
2. Ohio Wesleyan
3. Thomas More
4. St. Vincent
5. Calvin
6. Hope

I'm still pretty sure that every other committee in the last three years would put Calvin #1.

[ScotsFan]

It really is baffling to me to see how these rankings have played out this year.  I mean, it's hard enough for me to understand how Calvin isn't #1 in the GL region, let alone find themselves ranked below the likes of Thomas Moore and St. Vincent?! 

But like I always say this time of the year, it is virtually impossible to try and figure out what the thought process of the NCAA when they do their rankings... 

[sac]

But like I always say this time of the year, it is virtually impossible to try and figure out what the thought process of the NCAA when they do their rankings... 

But its all laid out in the manual.....

[Titan Q]

It really is baffling to me to see how these rankings have played out this year.  I mean, it's hard enough for me to understand how Calvin isn't #1 in the GL region, let alone find themselves ranked below the likes of Thomas Moore and St. Vincent?! 

But like I always say this time of the year, it is virtually impossible to try and figure out what the thought process of the NCAA when they do their rankings... 

1. Wooster (Great Lakes, NCAC) -20-4 (.833)/.552/3-1
2. Ohio Wesleyan (Great Lakes, NCAC) - 19-4 (.826)/.537/2-2
3. Thomas More (Great Lakes, PrAC) - 20-3 (.870)/.498/1-2
4. Capital (Great Lakes, OAC) - 19-4 (.826)/.487/1-2
5. St. Vincent (Great Lakes, PrAC) - 18-3 (.857)/.493/1-1
6. Calvin (Great Lakes, MIAA) - 18-1 (.947)/.444/0-0

Calvin's problems in terms of the criteria are:

* SOS (.444) - to put .444 into perspective, it is the lowest of the 56 teams I looked at here - http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.4365.

* The fact that they not only don't have any wins over regionally ranked teams, but they don't have any games played.  To put 0-0 in perspective, of those 56 teams, Calvin is the only one without a game played vs a regionally ranked team...and one of three without a win (Texas-Dallas, Hobart).

Not that it counts for anything, but interesting to note that the computer model KnightSlappy produces has Calvin #7 in the Great Lakes, behind the 6 above and Hope - http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/2010-2011-d3-mens-regional-rankings.html


I'm not saying Calvin isn't one of the top 2-3 teams in the region in actuality, but in terms of the published criteria they do have significant problems.