Great Lakes Region

[smedindy]

When I first read the bracket I thought Calvin was hosting. Ah. That trip to the Rosie's won't be easy. At. All. Fun fact - the most points RHIT gave up was 69 to Transylvania in one of their losses. The second most was 68 in their inexplicable loss to Earlham. Calvin better be prepared to slog it out in the 50's.

I can see Wooster stumbling to Marietta, perhaps. But I'm counting on a Wooster / OWU matchup myself.

[ziggy]

When I first read the bracket I thought Calvin was hosting. Ah. That trip to the Rosie's won't be easy. At. All. Fun fact - the most points RHIT gave up was 69 to Transylvania in one of their losses. The second most was 68 in their inexplicable loss to Earlham. Calvin better be prepared to slog it out in the 50's.

I can see Wooster stumbling to Marietta, perhaps. But I'm counting on a Wooster / OWU matchup myself.

As long as Calvin knows they are in for an Adrian-style fight going in, I think they will be fine. Three games (well, at least two) against the Bulldogs this year should have them well prepared.

Calvin has played a pretty good brand of defensive ball themselves this year.

[KnightSlappy]

Calvin better be prepared to slog it out in the 50's.

Au contraire bonjour, it is, in fact, RHIT that better be prepared to slog it out -- doubt they (i.e. Rose-Hulman) will top 50!

Massey says Calvin is the favorite with a "most likely" score of 54-52.

[smedindy]

RHIT is comfy there, though, as I see if from my non-homerific non-jaundiced eyes.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just so you know... I suspect OWU stays at home vs. HSC... as OWU finished #2 in their region and HSC finished #5... granted the committee could change their minds and since Mike DeWitt can not participate in those discussions while his team is involved... you never know.

[sac]

A couple weeks away from the first official rankings.  Here's the in-region records taken off the d3hoops schedules.  These are rife with accounting errors as there seems to be lots of confusion on what counts and what shouldn't.  I've filled the blanks in where I could.

Pat has all the AMCC schools within the Great Lakes Region, this should up the number of ranking slots to 7.  I assume this means that move is official now.


Wooster              13-0
St. Vincent           11-1
PSU-Behrend       13-2
Ohio Wesleyan   12-3
Wittenberg         12-3
Bethany              12-3
Mt. Union            12-3
Hilbert                 12-3
Calvin                   8-3**
DePauw              10-4
Marietta              10-4
LaRoche              10-4
John Carroll        10-5
Wilmington         8-5
Hope                   8-5
Trine                   8-5
Albion                 7-6

**  I can only assume Calvin believes they have an exemption to count all D3 games.  Their actual in-region D3 games is less than the 70% needed to count all of them.  If they don't have an exemption their regional record is 6-1


Wooster is pretty rock solid the #1 ranked team in this region.  St. Vincent and PSU-Behrend aren't likely to have better overall criteria than Wooster even if Wooster accumulates 1 more loss than these two teams.  In short, Wooster has a lot of cushion.

A lot of head-head match-ups remaining so losses will accumulate.    I wouldn't rule out the 5 loss teams but they're in the territory of having to run the table.  I imagine Hope and Wilmington will both have very good strength of schedule numbers.

[realist]

Is KVS on the committee this year?  Seems like I read or heard that somewhere, but can't find the info right now? 

[ScotsFan]

Nice work sac.  I don't have the time or energy to fact check your numbers so I'll go with yours.   

Agreed on Wooster being a pretty strong #1 as of now.  Wooster already has two road wins over potentially regionally ranked teams in OWU and Witt and if 'Etta can put a run together, that number could grow to 3!  I don't see another team in the GL Region who could match that...

[oldknight]

Is KVS on the committee this year?  Seems like I read or heard that somewhere, but can't find the info right now?

Yes. KVS is chair(man) of the Great Lakes Regional Advisory Committee. The role of the regional advisory committee is to assist the Division III Men's Basketball Committee in the evaluation of teams throughout the season in regional rankings, the evaluation of potential regional sites and the selection of teams for the championship.

[sac]

Pat has all the AMCC schools within the Great Lakes Region, this should up the number of ranking slots to 7.  I assume this means that move is official now.

If I'm remembering right the ratio is 6.5 to 1.  With 49 teams including the AMCC we should get 7.5 teams ranked so round up to 8.  ?

Also noted on another board, they've done away with once ranked always ranked, the only ranked teams you'll get an RRO for is in the final rankings......which we won't see.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The AMCC is now in the Great Lakes Region, but the rankings as per the handbook remains at 7 teams.

Remember that the vRRO will still be applicable every regional ranking week, but since it is "once ranked, always ranked" now the final regional rankings that are private will have vRRO we don't see. Also, if you play 70% of your games in region so all of your games count in the primary criteria - the vRRO will be reflected there as well.

[sac]

The AMCC is now in the Great Lakes Region, but the rankings as per the handbook remains at 7 teams.

We were at 6

Remember that the vRRO will still be applicable every regional ranking week, but since it is "once ranked, always ranked" now the final regional rankings that are private will have vRRO we don't see. Also, if you play 70% of your games in region so all of your games count in the primary criteria - the vRRO will be reflected there as well.

This is different than what you just posted 2 days ago on the Pool C board.  ??

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

How is it different? If you play 70% of your games in region, all of your Division III games count... and thus your vRRO will reflect that as such dues to the fact you could play teams in other regions and that is a result versus a regionally ranked opponent potentially. That is actually as it always has been if the game was counted as regional under the other criteria.

[Pat Coleman]

Dave, I believe you meant to say it is NOT once ranked, always ranked. The bold part is what sac is referring to.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Sorry... I misread his question and my post... correct.