Great Lakes Region

[David Collinge]

Mostly complete through Saturday. Numbers 2-5 are basically a tie in terms of RPI.

RG   ##   WP      wSOS    wRPI    NAT   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
gl   17   0.471   0.550   0.530   143   8-9     0-0   NCAC     Denison
gl   18   0.471   0.550   0.530   144   8-9     0-0   OAC      Capital
gl   19   0.769   0.449   0.529   147   10-3    0-0   MIAA     Calvin
gl   20   0.600   0.505   0.528   148   9-6     0-0   UAA      Case Western Reserve

Funny that Calvin would slot behind two teams with losing records. I guess that's what a woeful SOS will do for you. Does this presume that Calvin has the waiver that makes all of their games regional?

[KnightSlappy]

Mostly complete through Saturday. Numbers 2-5 are basically a tie in terms of RPI.

RG   ##   WP      wSOS    wRPI    NAT   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
gl   17   0.471   0.550   0.530   143   8-9     0-0   NCAC     Denison
gl   18   0.471   0.550   0.530   144   8-9     0-0   OAC      Capital
gl   19   0.769   0.449   0.529   147   10-3    0-0   MIAA     Calvin
gl   20   0.600   0.505   0.528   148   9-6     0-0   UAA      Case Western Reserve

Funny that Calvin would slot behind two teams with losing records. I guess that's what a woeful SOS will do for you. Does this presume that Calvin has the waiver that makes all of their games regional?

I think the committee would actually slot Calvin ahead of those sub-.500 teams because they probably apply arbitrary rules like that.

The handbook actually doesn't mention the 70% rule or the waiver or anything like that, but yeah, these numbers assume all D3 games count for all teams.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The fact that Calvin's schedule is .680 against regional opponents is about as close as you can get. 17 of their 25 games are in-region. I suspect they got the waiver... but I still have not heard officially if they have or have not.

[KnightSlappy]

The fact that Calvin's schedule is .680 against regional opponents is about as close as you can get. 17 of their 25 games are in-region. I suspect they got the waiver... but I still have not heard officially if they have or have not.

Back in the fall Coach VandeStreek indicated that the ncaa would allow them to count conference tournament games toward the 70% this year (but not next year).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

From what I have been told by the chair of the NCAA committee... the conference tournament games do not count... it is the schedule you present before the season starts, not added games or tournament games. That doesn't mean they won't be granted a waiver for this year... that is different than allowing other games to count that are not actually on their schedule when they are due I believe in September.

[KnightSlappy]

Mostly complete through Saturday. Numbers 2-5 are basically a tie in terms of RPI.

RG   ##   WP      wSOS    wRPI    NAT   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
gl   17   0.471   0.550   0.530   143   8-9     0-0   NCAC     Denison
gl   18   0.471   0.550   0.530   144   8-9     0-0   OAC      Capital
gl   19   0.769   0.449   0.529   147   10-3    0-0   MIAA     Calvin
gl   20   0.600   0.505   0.528   148   9-6     0-0   UAA      Case Western Reserve

Funny that Calvin would slot behind two teams with losing records. I guess that's what a woeful SOS will do for you. Does this presume that Calvin has the waiver that makes all of their games regional?

I think the committee would actually slot Calvin ahead of those sub-.500 teams because they probably apply arbitrary rules like that.

The handbook actually doesn't mention the 70% rule or the waiver or anything like that, but yeah, these numbers assume all D3 games count for all teams.

The interesting thing for Calvin could be how Carthage, Wheaton, Hope, and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps end up in the rankings. It's not impossible that all four end up ranked (by RPI Claremont-M-S is the only one outside the ranked spots, but they're only a couple spots out and playing well). Calvin could be 2-3 versus regionally ranked opponents at the time of the first rankings.

A bad SOS might be mitigated somewhat if all of their losses came against ranked teams.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Totally agree with you... the vRRO could really help Calvin - though all of those teams would have to stay in the regional rankings each week to really make a difference.

[sac]

Not sure which board this was being discussed on most recently but here is the list of basketball waivers for this season:

Calvin College – men's basketball.
North Central College – men's basketball.
Olivet College – men's basketball.
Pacific Lutheran University – women's basketball.
Pine Manor College – women's basketball.
Salem College – women's basketball.
St. Joseph's College (Brooklyn) – men's and women's basketball.
Trinity Washington University – women's basketball.
Wesleyan College – women's basketball.  (The one in Georgia)
William Peace University – men's basketball.

This was posted by Pat in the Pool C discussion.  Good news for Calvin I guess, though their 'numbers' actually get weaker by counting all games I think.  At least winning percentage does.

[KnightSlappy]

Not sure which board this was being discussed on most recently but here is the list of basketball waivers for this season:

Calvin College – men's basketball.
North Central College – men's basketball.
Olivet College – men's basketball.
Pacific Lutheran University – women's basketball.
Pine Manor College – women's basketball.
Salem College – women's basketball.
St. Joseph's College (Brooklyn) – men's and women's basketball.
Trinity Washington University – women's basketball.
Wesleyan College – women's basketball.  (The one in Georgia)
William Peace University – men's basketball.

This was posted by Pat in the Pool C discussion.  Good news for Calvin I guess, though their 'numbers' actually get weaker by counting all games I think.  At least winning percentage does.

If Wheaton, Carthage, Claremont-M-S, and Redlands were not counted, Calvin's SOS would fall from .449 to .382. Oof. Their RPI would fall nearly 30 points (.030) even considering the winning percentage increase.

[Pat Coleman]

Interesting note about Hope I found out about after posting that. Turns out they don't need a waiver, but that's good, because they weren't going to get one.

Hope College – In-Region Competition Waiver Request. The committee did not
approve a request from Hope College to waive the in-region competition requirement for
the sport of men's basketball for the 2013-14 season. In its discussion, the committee
noted the apparent access to in-region opponents for the institution, as well as the late
submission of the waiver request.

[sac]

30 miles between Calvin and Hope   

[Pat Coleman]

30 miles between Calvin and Hope   

I guess that Hope's late waiver request was carried via turtle for those 30 miles.

34 miles of difference in Calvin-Wheaton and Hope-Wheaton. And as you know, that is enough to rule out much of Chicagoland for Calvin.

I was just glad to see the championships committee stand up for the criteria, considering schools have had years and years to adjust.

[ziggy]

30 miles between Calvin and Hope   

I guess that Hope's late waiver request was carried via turtle for those 30 miles.

34 miles of difference in Calvin-Wheaton and Hope-Wheaton. And as you know, that is enough to rule out much of Chicagoland for Calvin.

I was just glad to see the championships committee stand up for the criteria, considering schools have had years and years to adjust.

Well, we know it wasn't video streamed live over the internet.

[sac]

standing up for garbage, is still standing up for garbage

[sac]

Wooster              14-1
St. Vincent           13-1
Ohio Wesleyan   14-3
Wittenberg         14-3
PSU-Behrend       13-3
Mt. Union            13-3
Hilbert                 13-3
Calvin                  10-3**
Bethany              13-4
DePauw              12-4
Marietta              12-4
LaRoche              10-4
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John Carroll        11-6
Wilmington         9-6
Hope                   9-5
Albion                 8-6
Trine                   8-7


Head-to-head games this week.  One OWU win over Wooster away from a potential 4-way tie in the NCAC.

Jan 29
Ohio Wesleyan at Wooster
Mt. Union at John Carroll