Great Lakes Region

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Thomas More 70 Grove City 68

DeCarlo Hayes layup at the buzzer send the Saints to the semi's.  I believe the PAC reseeds so they'll play Geneva.

[KnightSlappy]

Geneva 61 Bethany 59


Stunning loss for the Bison to the #9 seed in PAC.  This is the kind of loss that keeps you home.  Big winners here are the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates.

Wouldn't they rather Bethany had marched to the PAC championship? Now Bethany could possibly block them on the board and/or take up a Pool C bid.

[sac]

Geneva 61 Bethany 59


Stunning loss for the Bison to the #9 seed in PAC.  This is the kind of loss that keeps you home.  Big winners here are the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates.

Wouldn't they rather Bethany had marched to the PAC championship? Now Bethany could possibly block them on the board and/or take up a Pool C bid.

True.  Witt, Woo and OWU will all pick up RRO's though.  In the past teams that lost in the semi-finals aren't usually in very good Pool C shape, this was a quarterfinal loss to a 5-20 team at home.

Obviously there is a danger now of Bethany remaining to high in the final poll and blocking someone from making the table.  I don't think Bethany's 'numbers' are all that great though.

[KnightSlappy]

The numbers are still updating, but Bethany looks out. SOS just below .500 and only 1-0 vRRO. That's a tough resume to overcome. As of right now their RPI has fallen out of the Top 7 in the GL (and #34 among Pool C candidates).

[Fifth and Putnam]

Geneva 61 Bethany 59


Stunning loss for the Bison to the #9 seed in PAC.  This is the kind of loss that keeps you home.  Big winners here are the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates.

Wouldn't they rather Bethany had marched to the PAC championship? Now Bethany could possibly block them on the board and/or take up a Pool C bid.

I wondered at this statement as well. I don't see how it helps the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates. Another loss for Bethany in the conference tournament I felt would have sent them down the board and below Marietta/Mount/Ohio Wesleyan anyways. As far as blocking the board or stealing a Pool C bid, losing to Geneva has all but finished Bethany's chances at a Pool C. That's a BAD loss at the wrong time if I've ever saw one. Geneva had 5 wins this year (now 6). I see no gain or loss for the NCAC/OAC crew by this.

[KnightSlappy]

Geneva 61 Bethany 59


Stunning loss for the Bison to the #9 seed in PAC.  This is the kind of loss that keeps you home.  Big winners here are the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates.

Wouldn't they rather Bethany had marched to the PAC championship? Now Bethany could possibly block them on the board and/or take up a Pool C bid.

I wondered at this statement as well. I don't see how it helps the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates. Another loss for Bethany in the conference tournament I felt would have sent them down the board and below Marietta/Mount/Ohio Wesleyan anyways. As far as blocking the board or stealing a Pool C bid, losing to Geneva has all but finished Bethany's chances at a Pool C. That's a BAD loss at the wrong time if I've ever saw one. Geneva had 5 wins this year (now 6). I see no gain or loss for the NCAC/OAC crew by this.

I just think, as a rule, teams on the bubble want the "Pool A" teams above them to win in order not to risk them sticking right in front of them.

Bethany beat Mount Union head-to-head, a fact that could play into the rankings should they fail to win the OAC.

[sac]

Geneva 61 Bethany 59


Stunning loss for the Bison to the #9 seed in PAC.  This is the kind of loss that keeps you home.  Big winners here are the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates.

Wouldn't they rather Bethany had marched to the PAC championship? Now Bethany could possibly block them on the board and/or take up a Pool C bid.

I wondered at this statement as well. I don't see how it helps the NCAC/OAC Pool C candidates. Another loss for Bethany in the conference tournament I felt would have sent them down the board and below Marietta/Mount/Ohio Wesleyan anyways. As far as blocking the board or stealing a Pool C bid, losing to Geneva has all but finished Bethany's chances at a Pool C. That's a BAD loss at the wrong time if I've ever saw one. Geneva had 5 wins this year (now 6). I see no gain or loss for the NCAC/OAC crew by this.

Losing tonight was more key to my statement that it helps the NCAC/OAC pool c's.  If Bethany had made it to the PrAC final and loses that might have been enough to keep them ahead of some schools.  This won't

[sac]

PrAC  Tournament Semi's on Thursday

Geneva at Thomas More
Waynesburg at St. Vincent

Waynesburg just beat St. V last week.  St. V was missing a couple starters, not sure if they're back or not.

[KnightSlappy]

Through Sunday:

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.913   0.534   0.629   007   A      21-2    5-1   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.783   0.544   0.604   026   A      18-5    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.750   0.534   0.588   041   C      18-6    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   04   0.833   0.504   0.587   043   A      20-4    1-0   PrAC     Bethany
GL   05   0.760   0.528   0.586   044   C      19-6    2-3   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   06   0.800   0.510   0.583   050   A      20-5    2-1   OAC      Mount Union
GL   07   0.708   0.539   0.581   052   C      17-7    4-4   NCAC     DePauw
gl   08   0.760   0.511   0.574   062   C      19-6    2-3   NCAC     Wittenberg
gl   09   0.652   0.533   0.563   075   C      15-8    1-4   OAC      Wilmington
gl   10   0.640   0.533   0.560   079   C      16-9    2-3   OAC      Ohio Northern
gl   11   0.840   0.456   0.552   086   A      21-4    1-0   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
gl   12   0.810   0.464   0.550   094   C      17-4    1-3   MIAA     Calvin
gl   13   0.762   0.473   0.545   108   C      16-5    1-1   PrAC     St. Vincent
gl   14   0.542   0.543   0.543   112   C      13-11   2-5   UAA      Case Western Reserve
gl   15   0.542   0.534   0.536   131   C      13-11   1-4   PrAC     Thomas More
gl   16   0.520   0.540   0.535   135   C      13-12   0-6   OAC      Baldwin Wallace
gl   17   0.600   0.507   0.530   151   C      15-10   0-5   OAC      John Carroll
gl   18   0.480   0.545   0.529   152   C      12-13   2-4   OAC      Capital
gl   19   0.739   0.455   0.526   155   C      17-6    0-0   AMCC     Hilbert
gl   20   0.435   0.556   0.526   157   C      10-13   1-5   UAA      Carnegie Mellon


Through Tuesday:

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.917   0.529   0.626   008   A      22-2    5-1   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.783   0.545   0.604   025   A      18-5    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.769   0.528   0.588   041   C      20-6    2-3   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   04   0.750   0.534   0.588   042   C      18-6    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   05   0.720   0.537   0.582   049   C      18-7    4-4   NCAC     DePauw
GL   06   0.800   0.508   0.581   051   A      20-5    2-1   OAC      Mount Union
GL   07   0.769   0.511   0.575   059   C      20-6    2-3   NCAC     Wittenberg
gl   08   0.800   0.498   0.573   064   C      20-5    1-0   PrAC     Bethany
gl   09   0.667   0.533   0.566   073   C      16-8    1-4   OAC      Wilmington
gl   10   0.615   0.533   0.554   086   C      16-10   2-3   OAC      Ohio Northern
gl   11   0.840   0.456   0.552   090   A      21-4    1-0   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
gl   12   0.810   0.465   0.551   093   C      17-4    1-3   MIAA     Calvin
gl   13   0.773   0.473   0.548   103   A      17-5    1-1   PrAC     St. Vincent
gl   14   0.542   0.541   0.541   119   C      13-11   2-5   UAA      Case Western Reserve
gl   15   0.560   0.532   0.539   128   C      14-11   1-4   PrAC     Thomas More
gl   16   0.630   0.507   0.538   132   C      17-10   0-5   OAC      John Carroll
gl   17   0.519   0.541   0.535   137   C      14-13   0-6   OAC      Baldwin Wallace
gl   18   0.750   0.458   0.531   148   C      18-6    0-0   AMCC     Hilbert
gl   19   0.435   0.555   0.525   157   C      10-13   1-5   UAA      Carnegie Mellon
gl   20   0.462   0.544   0.524   159   C      12-14   2-4   OAC      Capital

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The biggest problem with Bethany is they didn't pick up a couple of more games/wins to bolster their resume. Sure, it is only against conference teams, but every game would have helped their Pool C chances. I think the same as others... they may be out of the NCAA tournament after not getting past the quarterfinals.

[sac]

Have to feel for Bethany, they really did everything right when it comes to scheduling. 

Went out and played Ohio Northern, Baldwin Wallace, Mt. Union, St. Lawrence, PSU-Behrend all games that would help their SOS.  Being in the PrAC killed their SOS.

But you can't lose to the 9th seed on your own floor.

[Pat Coleman]

But you can't lose to the 9th seed on your own floor.

Yeah, exactly. I agree that Bethany did some good things in the non-conference, unlike St. Vincent.

Ironically, Bethany's postgame story talks solely about waiting for an ECAC bid. Losing in the quarterfinals isn't the automatic death knell it would have been pre-pools, though.

[MIAA in Exile]

Why does the ECAC still exist and why isn't there a Midwest version?

[ScotsFan]

Is Wooster pretty much a lock for the top ranking in the final GL Region poll even if they happen to lose on Friday and Hope were to go on to win the MIAA Conference Tournament? 

It sure looks like they have a pretty commanding lead on Hope and even with a loss to OWU, it seems like their lead is big enough to maintain their top ranking...

[KnightSlappy]

Is Wooster pretty much a lock for the top ranking in the final GL Region poll even if they happen to lose on Friday and Hope were to go on to win the MIAA Conference Tournament? 

It sure looks like they have a pretty commanding lead on Hope and even with a loss to OWU, it seems like their lead is big enough to maintain their top ranking...

I think so, yes. And they'll be one of the first few teams taken in Pool C.