Great Lakes Region

[sac]

Did you even look at the data of the teams I mentioned or their w/l records relative to the other teams in the Great Lakes Region?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

sac - looking at the data is irrelevant to my point. I have seen some ridiculous SOS numbers and seen teams ranked (Albertus Magnus, Cabrini, etc.). I am simply saying that just because it seems like there is no way a one-loss team (or in this case some worse-than-one-loss teams) looks like they have an SOS to be ranked... they do end up being ranked because at some point the committee actually does reward WL%.

Now, I will also say this... SOS numbers this time of year are still very much out of whack. I do like seeing the numbers from KnightSlappy because just like Massey (which I also don't buy much stock in this time of year), they at least give me a sense of where a team might stand in terms of what they had for an out-of-conference schedule and what they may have ahead of them. So while you may not think their SOS numbers warrant ranking because they are so bad... remember, that SOS number will move towards .500 by default as they play more conference games.

It is just a friendly reminder that SOS is certainly a powerful number, but it isn't the be-all and end-all as even last year pointed out.

[sac]

So your point was basically, yeah but.  Gotcha

[David Collinge]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

[sac]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

I fixed it, I don't know what was going on there.  One of those nights I guess.

[smedindy]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

Fans at Oberlin will be mad that Hiram left most of it's stars at home....

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

Fans at Oberlin will be mad that Hiram left most of it's stars at home....

Mad... or relieved?

[David Collinge]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

I fixed it, I don't know what was going on there.  One of those nights I guess.

You never should have appointed that emergency manager to take over your posting responsibilities. When you supersede the will of the people, only bad things can happen.

[sac]

Wednesday games
Alma at Trine
Denison at Hiram
Oberlin at Ohio Wesleyan
Wittenberg at Kenyon
Hiram at Oberlin
John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace
Marietta at Mt. Union
Grove City at Bethany

Split-squad games.

(Actually it's Denison at Hiram, Oberlin at OWU.)

I fixed it, I don't know what was going on there.  One of those nights I guess.

You never should have appointed that emergency manager to take over your posting responsibilities. When you supersede the will of the people, only bad things can happen.

Its ok Dave I've appointed a special committee to look into what went wrong (ie make sure you find out its someone else's fault).  In about 18 months I'll be showing my full commitment to getting to the bottom of the situation.

[sac]

PSU-Behrend 69  Hilbert 58.....was much closer until the very end but PSU-B led for most of it.

For Hilbert that is loss #3 and a positively horrific SOS, the worst on KS's chart.  I imagine they're going to have to win the AMCC tournament to qualify for the NCAA's.  Behrend's going to end up with a great record, hopefully they win the AMCC auto-bid because that's a Pool C selection blocking team, also a poor SOS.

[KnightSlappy]

PSU-Behrend 69  Hilbert 58.....was much closer until the very end but PSU-B led for most of it.

For Hilbert that is loss #3 and a positively horrific SOS, the worst on KS's chart.  I imagine they're going to have to win the AMCC tournament to qualify for the NCAA's.  Behrend's going to end up with a great record, hopefully they win the AMCC auto-bid because that's a Pool C selection blocking team, also a poor SOS.

I don't see PSU-B climbing above the OAC #2 or MIAA #2. I really don't see them blocking Mt. Union, JCU, Marietta, Hope, Alma, or Trine, but I guess we never know what the RAC is thinking.

[sac]

the potential is there though, even though it shouldn't be.

[sac]

Updated thru Sun 1/24
       
John Carroll                 17-0
Ohio Wesleyan            16-1
PSU-Behrend               15-1
Hope                           13-1

------------------------.900

Marietta                      15-2

------------------------.800

Hilbert                           14-4
Alma                             13-4
St. Vincent                   13-4
Trine                             12-4
Hiram                            12-4
Wittenberg                   12-5

------------------------.700

Mt. Union                      11-5
Mt. St. Joseph              11-5
Wooster                        11-5
Grove City                     11-5
Pitt-Greensburg            11-6
Thomas More                10-6
Bethany                        10-6
Manchester                   9-6
Oberlin                          9-6

------------------------.600

Baldwin-Wallace             10-7
Defiance                         10-7
Calvin                               8-6
Denison                           9-7
Hanover                           9-7

-----------------------------------.500


Dropped: Kenyon and Albion, both under .500 with 8 losses.   Heidelberg, Case Western, Wabash, Capital all now have 8 losses and unrealistic ranking possibilities

Northcoast:   Big game with Wooster hosting Ohio Wesleyan on Wed. A Chance for OWU to open a two game lead.  Getting close to must win type games for everyone else

MIAA:  Calvin at Hope on Wednesday and a wobbly looking Trine hosts Albion.  Hope goes to Albion Saturday, Alma will play Olivet and Kzoo. 

OAC:   Baldwin-Wallace hosts Mt. Union and Marietta this week.  Should be quiet until the last week or two unless BW makes an impact, Mt Union in must win mode.

PAC:  Bethany beat St. Vincent Sunday to keep the PAC a little interesting but still a 2 game lead for the fighting Vincents

HCAC:  MSJ and Defiance are now tied again at the top, Hanover 1 back, Manchester lurking.  Feels like this could go many directions

AMCC:  PSU-Behrend won their Monday showdown with Hilbert then Hilbert lost again to Medaille.  Behrend now lead Pitt-Greensburg by 1 game, not much going on this week
 

Wednesday Games
Calvin at Hope
Ohio Wesleyan at Wooster
Oberlin at Kenyon
John Carroll at Heidelberg
Mt. Union at Baldwin-Wallace
Thomas More at Grove City

Saturday
Calvin at Trine
Hiram at Ohio Wesleyan
Denison at Wittenberg
Mt. St. Joseph at Manchester
Hanover at Defiance
Marietta at Baldwin-Wallace

[sac]

Knightslappy has updated his ranking for the RPI look, not quite updated with the PAC games this afternoon.
http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

I think if you take those top nine, take out Albion and add PSU-Behrend you have the 9 likely teams that would be ranked if we ranked them this week.  First rankings are next Wednesday Feb 3.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Knightslappy has updated his ranking for the RPI look, not quite updated with the PAC games this afternoon.
http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

I think if you take those top nine, take out Albion and add PSU-Behrend you have the 9 likely teams that would be ranked if we ranked them this week.  First rankings are next Wednesday Feb 3.

No... first rankings Feb. 10.

There are only three public rankings and the season ends Feb. 28 with brackets announced Feb. 29.