Great Lakes Region

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My crack at the region

1. John Carroll
2. Marietta
3. Ohio Wesleyan
4. Alma
5. Hope
6. Wooster
7. St. Vincent
8. Hiram
9. Mt. Union
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10. Trine

I have to believe the committee will spend a long time this afternoon on that #8 and #9 slots since it could sway rankings at the top of the region a little and potential Pool C ramifications.

In looking at the numbers, I would have Wooster higher than Hope:

* Wooster  .741/.563/3-4
* Hope  .913/.504/1-1

When the rubber meats the road, the regional committees have to line their Pool C candidates up in order of national Pool C competitiveness.  As I interpret the numbers (which i acknowledge is a subjective thing), Wooster would get selected a few rounds earlier than Hope (I have Wooster #9 and Hope #13).  Putting Hope higher pushes both candidates down in my opinion.

I say this knowing the Great Lakes committee had Hope higher last week, without much changing.  So who knows.  Unfortunately we will never see that final ranking.

And bottom line, both Hope and Wooster are safe Pool Cs.

Color me confused - are you saying (in the phrase I bolded above) that the regional committee needs to somehow rank them differently now then they did the past 3 weeks?  Is there some new focus or difference in how they rank them now (for the selection process) than they have been doing all along?  I certainly hope that I am simply mis-reading what you are stating there.

[Titan Q]

Color me confused - are you saying (in the phrase I bolded above) that the regional committee needs to somehow rank them differently now then they did the past 3 weeks?  Is there some new focus or difference in how they rank them now (for the selection process) than they have been doing all along?  I certainly hope that I am simply mis-reading what you are stating there.

No, I am suggesting they ranked them incorrectly in past weeks in terms of maximizing their region's Pool C chances.

[sac]

Pitt-Greensburg knocks of Hilbert 76-74 to win the AMCC auto-bid.  AMCC has two 20 win teams and neither will make the tournament.

[sac]

Mt. St. Joseph completes a pretty spectacular late comeback and defeats Rose-Hulman 93-88 in OT to win the HCAC auto-bid.  I think but am not sure that is MSJ's first ever NCAA bid.

Great Lakes Conf Tourny Champs
OAC  John Carroll
NCAC  Denison
MIAA  Alma
PAC   St. Vincent
AMCC  Pitt-Greensburg
HCAC  Mt. St. Joseph

[fantastic50]

Caught a few minutes of Hoopsville, and they claim (maybe via an anonymous source on the regional ranking committee) that the final ranking is OWU #3, Alma #4, Wooster #5, and Hope #6. Of course, if that is the case, the national committee could still override it in Pool C selections, etc.

[HupHolland]

Listening to hoopsville...

When talking about Hope, it was said they have a 'vanilla' resume and they aren't even considering them for an at-large at this point...

I know many "experts" are saying Hope is safe, but they really didn't help themselves with a poor schedule and their loss to Trine. I won't be relieved until I hear their name called tomorrow. I could see Hope being one of the last names called which may give me a minor heart attack

[Titan Q]

Sounds like Wooster ended up being ranked higher in the Great Lakes than Hope.  I went back and adjusted my stuff to still have Hope in, but down at #17 - http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.msg1733989#msg1733989.

Safe to say Hope is a bubble team.  They have the lowest SOS (.504) of any team I see getting selected, as well as the least wins vs regionally ranked opponents (1) of that group of 19. 

I do think the .913 winning % combined with a .500+ SOS gets Hope in late in the process.

[Titan Q]

Pat and Dave also put Hope in end near the end.  Hope is probably one of the final 3-4 in, but I don't see much drama here...the Flying Dutchmen should be safely in.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

From what I learned, the final regional rankings were:

John Carroll
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Alma
Wooster
Hope
St. Vincent
Mount Union
Hiram

There is some evidence to suggest the RAC had Hope above Wooster and it was switched. Of course when the newest round of vRRO was computed after the RAC did it's final vote, that may have been enough for the national committee to make further changes. That is very common.

[fantastic50]

From what I learned, the final regional rankings were:

John Carroll
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Alma
Wooster
Hope
St. Vincent
Mount Union
Hiram

There is some evidence to suggest the RAC had Hope above Wooster and it was switched. Of course when the newest round of vRRO was computed after the RAC did it's final vote, that may have been enough for the national committee to make further changes. That is very common.

Based on these rankings, the pairings for the John Carroll don't make sense to me. Why isn't the host playing the lowest-ranked team (Denison) instead of the 3rd ranked team (St Vincent)?

[KnightSlappy]

From what I learned, the final regional rankings were:

John Carroll
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Alma
Wooster
Hope
St. Vincent
Mount Union
Hiram

There is some evidence to suggest the RAC had Hope above Wooster and it was switched. Of course when the newest round of vRRO was computed after the RAC did it's final vote, that may have been enough for the national committee to make further changes. That is very common.

Based on these rankings, the pairings for the John Carroll don't make sense to me. Why isn't the host playing the lowest-ranked team (Denison) instead of the 3rd ranked team (St Vincent)?

You are correct, that doesn't make sense. Alma v. St. Vincent and John Carroll v. Denison would be better based on seeding.

[HOPEful]

Based on these rankings, the pairings for the John Carroll don't make sense to me. Why isn't the host playing the lowest-ranked team (Denison) instead of the 3rd ranked team (St Vincent)?

I thought that Denison was a strange and wonderful gift for Alma.

[realist]

Not sure I would agree that Alma got a gift when you notice who Denison had to beat to get the AQ.  That also may explain the pairing.

[Fifth and Putnam]

Not sure I would agree that Alma got a gift when you notice who Denison had to beat to get the AQ.  That also may explain the pairing.

Denison had a great week last week but looking at the full resume of the 4 teams, there is no doubt that Denison has the weakest of the 4. I am curious as to how that got bracketed as well.

[David Collinge]

I guess the short answer is that the RAC didn't do the pairing/bracketing, the national committee did. That's not a satisfactory answer, so the long answer is that Pat and Dave are going to talk to the committee chair on Hoopsville; if nobody else has, I'll submit this question.

UPDATE: submitted.