Great Lakes Region

[sac]

Here's the OFFICIAL NCAA POLL

Great Lakes Region Overall Record In-Region Record

1. Capital 18-3 17-3
2. Wooster 18-3 11-2
3. Hope 17-3 10-2
4. Ohio Wesleyan 14-6 13-4
5. Heidelberg 16-5 14-4
6. Penn State-Behrend 17-4 15-3

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Here's the OFFICIAL NCAA POLL

Great Lakes Region Overall Record In-Region Record

1. Capital 18-3 17-3
2. Wooster 18-3 11-2
3. Hope 17-3 10-2
4. Ohio Wesleyan 14-6 13-4
5. Heidelberg 16-5 14-4
6. Penn State-Behrend 17-4 15-3

As mentioned on the MIAA board. Official and wrong! Hope is 12-2 in region. I suggest fans of any other team on this list check their teams regional record as well.

[Mr. Ypsi]

As mentioned on the MIAA board. Official and wrong! Hope is 12-2 in region. I suggest fans of any other team on this list check their teams regional record as well.

How is it wrong when Cap clearly has the best RPI?  You think Hope is getting screwed because they have the best regional record, check out the East Region where Plattsburg State is undefeated in regional play.  Yet their 16-0 record has them 2nd behind Rochester at 16-3.  I didn't figure RPI's for either of these two, but I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that Rochester's is higher than Plattsburg's...  That's just the nature of the beast.

DC meant the in-region record was wrong - 12-2 not 10-2.  Whether or not he also thought the placement was wrong, I'll let him answer.

[ScotsFan]

Yeah,  now I see what DC was talking about.  Sorry for the mix up.

Still, were Sac's RPI's done with the games that the NCAA seems to be missing?  From his calculations Wooster still has a higher RPI than Hope...  I would guess it wouldn't change anything.

If I did RPI right (unlikely), and using in-region records, this is how it should shake out.

I have the RPI's like this

Capital-----2.452
Wooster---2.391
Hope-------2.378
Albion------2.199
PSB---------2.184
Witt--------2.15

OWU-------2.35

We'll see but I think in-region record might carry more weight.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Yeah,  now I see what DC was talking about.  Sorry for the mix up.

Still, were Sac's RPI's done with the games that the NCAA seems to be missing?  From his calculations Wooster still has a higher RPI than Hope...  I would guess it wouldn't change anything.

If I did RPI right (unlikely), and using in-region records, this is how it should shake out.

I have the RPI's like this

Capital-----2.452
Wooster---2.391
Hope-------2.378
Albion------2.199
PSB---------2.184
Witt--------2.15

OWU-------2.35

We'll see but I think in-region record might carry more weight.

I think it'd make it a closer issue. And my real concern is not with these rankings, they don't influence who makes the tourney. However, 2.5 weeks from now when the NCAA is deciding who makes the tourney and how to seed them those 2 wins may make a big difference. Of course all that depends on how all these teams finish out their seasons.

[sac]

Order really isn't all that important right now, but accuracy is.  I'd really like an explanation for the 10-2 in-region record.  I'm hopeing its just a typo, but if its not, ..........well I just don't know what to say.  It doesn't instill alot of confidence that your team or other teams will be dealt with fairly and correctly come tournament selection time.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Order really isn't all that important right now, but accuracy is.  I'd really like an explanation for the 10-2 in-region record.  I'm hopeing its just a typo, but if its not, ..........well I just don't know what to say.  It doesn't instill alot of confidence that your team or other teams will be dealt with fairly and correctly come tournament selection time.

I like Pat's hypothesis under Daily Dose. They forgot Roanoke because it does not naturally appear to be regional but is regional due to the Administrative regions rule. Second, maybe a new administration at NCAA is not counting Carthage anymore. While I agree with the logic of that I would be upset by the inconsistency.

[Mr. Ypsi]

While dropping Hope-Carthage as in-region would no doubt be correct, what will we do without 'magic ferry' jokes?!   ["We'll always have condiments."]

[ChicagoHopeNut]

While dropping Hope-Carthage as in-region would no doubt be correct, what will we do without 'magic ferry' jokes?!   ["We'll always have condiments."]

Give us time and I am sure we'll think of something else. And if that fails I am sure the NCAA will provide us with some entertainment...they've never failed me before.

[kiltedbryan]

Ohio Wesleyan vindicated their regional ranking (from the NCAA) by completing a season sweep of Wittenberg tonight, 72-69 at Wittenberg.

That's a win that should help keep OWU in the conversation...though I'm not clear on OWU's possible Pool C chances if it didn't win the NCAC tourney. The Bishops would have at least 5 in-region losses in that situation, and would be 0-3 (or 4) in head-to-head results against regionally-ranked opponents Wooster and Capital.

[sac]

Ohio Wesleyan vindicated their regional ranking (from the NCAA) by completing a season sweep of Wittenberg tonight, 72-69 at Wittenberg.

That's a win that should help keep OWU in the conversation...though I'm not clear on OWU's possible Pool C chances if it didn't win the NCAC tourney. The Bishops would have at least 5 in-region losses in that situation, and would be 0-3 (or 4) in head-to-head results against regionally-ranked opponents Wooster and Capital.

To be in the conversation for Pool C, I would think OWU needs to get to the NCAC finals, which would mean another win over Witt most likely but most importantly pull for Hope, Capital and Wooster to win their conference tournaments.


Just an update on Hope's in-region record, Pat is going to "bundle" all his discrepencies together and approach the NCAA about them together.  As of last night, he had not had a chance to put everything together.

[smedindy]

I think the NCAC is a one-bid league unless Wooster loses in the NCAC final.

[Pat Coleman]

And just to give a timeframe, since I know that it's of particular interest to people here -- I hope to do this tonight but it will definitely get done so they have them in time to deliberate on Monday conference calls.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I think the NCAC is a one-bid league unless Wooster loses in the NCAC final.

As long as Woo, Cap, and Hope all win their auto bids, OWU is currently the first place GL pool C candidate - and I can't recall the GL ever not getting a pool C bid.

[smedindy]

There be a first time for everything. OWU would have to make the NCAC final, I feel. I do realize their OWP and OOWP are pretty strong, especially for an NCAC team.

This is just a gut feelin'...