BB: E8: Empire 8

[airball55]

May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

[sjfcards]

May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.

[sjfcards]

May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.

Cortland did beat Brockport today to win the SUNYAC tournament and automatic bid.

[OshDude]

May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.

It's a national selection process. IC and SJF are in the same Pool B "conference" as Wash U, Chicago, Emory, Huntingdon and others. Wash U and Chicago were ranked first and second in the second Central Region rankings.

As of last week, IC and SJF would have to be better, in theory, than the entire Central Region for both E8 teams to get in as a Pool B at this point. But all four could get in via Pool B and/or Pool C bids. Could very well happen. Next week's regional rankings should give us a better idea.

[baseballislife]

One of the few teams in NY to play some of those teams from the Central region is UR, as they play them twice every year in Florida in the UAA tourney.  I can tell you from seeing them both play several times that both Emory and Wash U are as good or better than IC or Fisher.  No disrespect intended toward either IC or Fisher (I would rather see NY teams in the dance), I'm just trying to point out that there are many good teams out there.
   

[airball55]

I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.

[sjfcards]

When does the NCAA make the selections for regionals?

[baseballislife]

I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, airball.  While I agree that our top teams are as good as the top teams in other regions, I would not exclude Wash U or Emory from competing favorably (and even potentially coming out on top) if they played in the NY regional.

Maybe I just need to rephrase it.  I was just trying to point out that teams looking for a pool bid sometimes have too narrow a view of the competition and there are teams that they don't get to see that may be just as deserving of getting into the dance.

[baseballislife]

I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.

Speaking about Emory, they have made the DIII World Series three times in the last twelve years, finishing second in 2007.  I think that program has earned more respect than to be characterized as just a team that beats up on snowbirds then fades away.

[rob]

When does the NCAA make the selections for regionals?

Sunday night, in fact the selections are usually announced in the early morning hours of Monday.

[airball55]

Emory I will give you.  Washington U. no way.  Good programs, our top three can also compete in any region, I think that was more for what I was going for.

[sjfcards]

New Regional Rankings have Ithaca at 3 and Fisher at 4. Fisher really could use one of those two losses to Stevens back.

[airball55]

Fisher's strength of schedule is in the top 60 in the country.  Should help them some.

[sjfcards]

Fisher's strength of schedule is in the top 60 in the country.  Should help them some.

I hope so. Looking over the criteria that is used for decisions yesterday I became less and less confident in Fisher making the tournament. I am hoping they still will, but...

I wonder why Fisher didn't try to reschedule the rain out, or schedule another team to get to the 30 win mark? Seems pointless to sit idle for over a week when you are on the bubble.

[airball55]

Lots of factors there.  I don't think another win is going to change minds or anything like that.  29 wins is a school record! and a loss would hurt more then a win would help.  Also, it can be hard to get teams to play as well.  They tried to pick up games last year and could only get Alvernia and they had to travel to play there.  Not worth it to travel.  They have done what they could, we have to sit back and see what the committees think of Fisher and Ithaca.