BB: E8: Empire 8

pudge27 · March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PM

"I kid the C-State guys about academics all the time, as IC fans do, but for me and most IC people it is just a joke (scuba, pudge, you guys know that...right?) because who gives a crap? When are talking about baseball (or football, or basketball) why do I care what your SAT score was?

Viper, I'm not ignoring your comment. Just a bit busy. It's actually part of Cortland's first year orientation to build up a tolerance to Jacka$$ Bombers and their inherent feelings of superiority. Consider this one a gift. How many Cortland guys does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, but I got 3 credits for it. Back to Baseball; Looks like IC has a pretty difficult trip planned. Referencing an earlier post that I had, you can tell a lot about a program by who they play on their trip.

It's not that I hate the Bombers. Nae Nae. I hope they win a lot this year. It's always a lot more fun when the Dragons run through them later in the year. The Red Sox aren't the Red Sox without the Yankees and vice versa. Same thing with Cortland and IC. Regardless of league affiliations and whatnot, it's always an important game. There's always a lot of pride on the line regardless of how IC is trying to line up their pitching for the upcoming game with Cazenovia.

MMTPdthree · March 10, 2008, 08:21:34 PM

How is Utica going to be this year?

John McGraw · March 10, 2008, 08:27:04 PM

Ithaca isn't the only one to schedule Cazenovia.

From what I recall in my days of broadcasting Cortland games, the Red Dragons usually had Cazenovia on the schedule somewhere late in the season - late April or early May. I'm too busy to check (and the new Cortland site doesn't have archives), but I seem to remember them playing one year and having it canceled the next or something like that. And looking at Cortland's current schedule, Caz is on there for April 29 at Wallace Field.

Not trying to stir the pot, just making sure all the facts are on the table. After all, I'm a broadcast journalist (said in best Bobby "The Brain" Heenan voice).

JQV · March 10, 2008, 09:57:05 PM

Quote from: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PMHow many Cortland guys does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, but I got 3 credits for it.

Classic. +k.

Quote from: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PMThere's always a lot of pride on the line regardless of how IC is trying to line up their pitching for the upcoming game with Cazenovia.

John, I am pretty sure this line was making fun of BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL or Caz. Not sure though.

pudge27 · March 10, 2008, 10:01:46 PM

Quote from: John McGraw on March 10, 2008, 08:27:04 PM
Ithaca isn't the only one to schedule Cazenovia.

From what I recall in my days of broadcasting Cortland games, the Red Dragons usually had Cazenovia on the schedule somewhere late in the season - late April or early May. I'm too busy to check (and the new Cortland site doesn't have archives), but I seem to remember them playing one year and having it canceled the next or something like that. And looking at Cortland's current schedule, Caz is on there for April 29 at Wallace Field.

Not trying to stir the pot, just making sure all the facts are on the table. After all, I'm a broadcast journalist (said in best Bobby "The Brain" Heenan voice).

I stand corrected. This damn internet thing makes research much too easy. I've also learned that some of the better posters here don't miss a beat on the details. Thanks John. That comment was a slight dig at a previous post where Jose used IC's all time record v. Caz to prove a point. But I guess if it's true on one side, it's got to be true on the other. I also appreciate the Bobby the Brain Heenan reference, although I was always partial to the Grand Wizard of Professional Wrestling. The IC/Cortland pot doesn't usually need much stirring, so don't worry about that.

pudge27 · March 10, 2008, 10:04:21 PM

Glad you liked that one Viper. I figure if I owned it, it could not be used against us. You're right, that was a reference to that previous conversation between you and BB13.

BaseB13 · March 10, 2008, 10:42:03 PM

John, I am pretty sure this line was making fun of BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL or Caz. Not sure though.
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Jose you must either be a remarkable attorney and love to change people's words or you are a horrible attorney and can't pay attention to major details. Look back at all my posts and tell me where I ever said IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for non-conference games.

OR you could look back and actually see where I said Ithaca is able to set up its pitching to beat the best competition on its schedule because its non-conference games don't mean anything. You're right though. I don't know what I'm talking about but I bet if you asked any coach in New York they'd agree with you that Independent teams best interest is to beat the best teams on their schedule while automatic bid teams best interest is to beat conference opponents. Therefore each team's goals will reflect how it lines its pitching up.

If you're going to debate a topic, stick to the facts rather than be a straight up IC homer.

JQV · March 11, 2008, 12:02:49 AM

Tell me what I am misreading. I think there are more but it is late and I am still at work (you know, because I got an inferior education so I am required to work late to do the work of a LL attorney).

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 04:42:57 PMAll I did was point out that Ithaca had a large advatange in the pitching match ups in those games.

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 01:29:22 PMIthaca also has a scheduling advantage because their conference games do not mean anything. It is no surprise that Ithaca saved it's best arms for some of the better teams mid week (such as these three LL opponents). The LL teams CANNOT do this because they have to win the conference games.

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 01, 2008, 01:04:01 PMI also pointed out that Ithaca has an advantage, along with everyother independent team, when it comes to lining their pitching up. Therefore I do not think non conference games between independent teams and an automatic bid team are completely indicative of the best team.

Because of this i was pointing out to Jose that it's not always clear who the better team is from one midweek game.

For example, last years Ithaca/Rochester game would have definitely been worth attending if Veenema pitched against Sottung for the majority of the game. But knowing ahead of time that UR would be throwing each guy in their rotation 2 innings would not, on paper, appear to be worth a trip to see.

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 29, 2008, 10:15:55 AMa) Rochester threw 5 pitchers because winning that game meant everything to Ithaca and nothing to Rochester. Whether Rochester wins that game has almost no bearing on if they will be in regionals because Liberty League teams play a 24 game schedule in conference. The coaches of the LL determined that because the automatic bid was so important, they would essentially forego an at large bid to put more emphasis on the automatic bid.

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 08:04:09 PMIf Ithaca was in the Liberty League(which would never happen because the conference is designed to have similar academic schools in conference) they wouldnt be able to line their pitching up this way and they'd have a much tougher time playing four games a weekend against RPI, Rochester, St Lawrence, and Skidmore when it's 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc.

BaseB13 · March 11, 2008, 09:58:22 AM

Ok Jose you just quoted me 5 times. Now let me quote you. You said "BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL..."

Where did I say this in the quotes you pasted? Very good. I didn't. I did say they have an advantage in that regard but you refuse to admit that IC's goal during the season is to beat the best teams it plays which sometimes are non-conference mid week games whereas LL teams goal is to beat conference opponents.

You just keep reinforcing the stereotype that Ithaca graduates are a bunch of meatheads known only for their athletic ability. Although you may find that insulting, that is unfortantely for you, the stereotype of your alma mater. You're not doing anything to help your school's cause either.

scuba16 · March 11, 2008, 12:41:43 PM

Pudge and viper need to get a cyber-room....

Name the wrestler
"Its a protective brace mcmahon, ask him ref, ask him, no no no no no no no"

Browneagle64 · March 11, 2008, 02:30:29 PM

Just to keep you guys updated on Ithaca's results against the Hen's yesterday
The Hen's won by a score of 9-1. Maybe the whole weather change and time change kept the Ithaca players from focusing on the game. It's Definately not snowing out here.

Here's a recap: http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/baseball/stats/2008/ic-pp.htm

JQV · March 11, 2008, 02:49:37 PM

Thanks for the info BE, I was looking around for that box this morning and couldn't find it. Not sure the trip or weather made a difference. Always get some good games on the California trip. It'd be nearly impossible to sweep through California all things being equal. The fact that you guys are 12 games ahead of us makes it even more challenging.

pudge27 · March 11, 2008, 06:11:29 PM

Quote from: scuba16 on March 11, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Pudge and viper need to get a cyber-room....

Name the wrestler
"Its a protective brace mcmahon, ask him ref, ask him, no no no no no no no"

Iron Mike Sharpe and bite me.

John McGraw · March 11, 2008, 10:51:28 PM

Occidental 14 Ithaca 10

Andy Collins threw for two touchdowns for Oxy. Jamie Donovan scored for Ithaca in the first half and then the Bombers were held to a field goal in the third.

All kidding aside, Ithaca loses a slugfest. Bombers scored six runs in the second inning and led most of the way but the bullpen it appears couldn't hold the lead. Oxy scored the final six runs of the game.

Nick Sottung started and was roughed up pretty good for five runs in his first two innings. It's his first start of the season against a team that's been playing for a few weeks so that doesn't really mean a whole lot - though I'm not completely discounting it.

Ithaca's line-up after some changes against '07 SCIAC champ Pomona was back to the normal form it'll have for most of the season IMO. Trevor Wolf was the DH and drove in his first run as a Bomber. His brother and Josh Smith also had good games at the plate.

The California trip continues on Wednesday against Chapman. Kurt Yacko and Nick Sottung were teammates last summer with the Green Bay Bullfrogs of the Northwoods League - random fact of the day.

Browneagle64 · March 11, 2008, 11:05:21 PM

Ouch. My tigers took advantage of your bombers mistakes towards the end. Best of luck against a good chapman team. If Pomona was tough, the SCIAC Co-champions ( i call chapman that because they always beat every SCIAC team every year, including the eventual SCIAC champs)

Ahh, here's another random fact of the day, Oxy head baseball coach Elliot Strankman was the head coach of the Green Bay Bullfrogs of the Northwoods League.