Worst (1st, 2nd...etc.) Round Pairing(s)

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sac

1-8 or 1-16 it still means the NCAA considered Platteville between 25 and 32 in the 60 team field.

If they show up wearing their road uniforms, I'll be even more mystified, mostly because that means Hope is the higher seed.

magicman

Quote from: sac on March 06, 2009, 03:22:13 AM
1-8 or 1-16 it still means the NCAA considered Platteville between 25 and 32 in the 60 team field.

If they show up wearing their road uniforms, I'll be even more mystified, mostly because that means Hope is the higher seed.

Well it's better than the 48 to 56 that you originally thought ;D As Ralph said it's geography. The 8 team bracket that they are in has Wash U and Wheaton so they're a 3 seed and Whitewater is a 4. If they were in the 8 team bracket in the bottom of that quadrant, with St Thomas and Stevens Pt. and Puget Sound they'd be a 3 seed or possibly a 4 seed there. They only get a higher seed if the NCAA  puts them in the upper quadrant. They are probably the best 3 seed in the country but it is what it is.

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Bottom Bracket?:

1. Wheaton
8. Fontbonne
4. Platteville
5. Hope
2. Wash U.
7. Lawrence
6. Whitewater
3. Elmhurst


2. St. Thomas
7. Aurora
3. Stevens Point
6. Cornell
4. Whitworth
5. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
1. Puget Sound 

or

1. St. Thomas
8. Aurora
4. Stevens Point
5. Cornell
3. Whitworth
6. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
2. Puget Sound

There is no 7 seed as Puget Sound would play them.


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larry_u

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 06, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
Bottom Bracket?:

1. Wheaton
8. Fontbonne
4. Platteville
5. Hope
2. Wash U.
7. Lawrence
6. Whitewater
3. Elmhurst


2. St. Thomas
7. Aurora
3. Stevens Point
6. Cornell
4. Whitworth
5. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
1. Puget Sound 

or

1. St. Thomas
8. Aurora
4. Stevens Point
5. Cornell
3. Whitworth
6. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
2. Puget Sound

There is no 7 seed as Puget Sound would play them.




I vote this.  There is no way Whitworth is higher then UWSP.  I could theoretically see UPS slightly higher if the NCAA determined that the NWC was stronger then the MIAC...but frankly it still all has to do more about geography and making things fit then actual seeding.  If I had to guess what the actual seeding was it would be:
1 St. Thomas
2. UPS
3. UWSP
4. Whitworth
5. CMS
6. Cornell
7. Aurora

The only reason St. Thomas didn;t get the bye that should have gone with the # 1 seed was geography, so they floped the 4/5 to the 2 and put the 3/6 to the 1 and there ya go.
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Based on any seeding, #1 can't play #3...that's why I had St. Thomas #1 and Stevens Point #4...#2 plays #3...thus UPS v Whitworth, with CMS the #6.
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Quote from: magicman on March 06, 2009, 04:24:31 AM
Quote from: sac on March 06, 2009, 03:22:13 AM
1-8 or 1-16 it still means the NCAA considered Platteville between 25 and 32 in the 60 team field.

If they show up wearing their road uniforms, I'll be even more mystified, mostly because that means Hope is the higher seed.

Well it's better than the 48 to 56 that you originally thought ;D As Ralph said it's geography. The 8 team bracket that they are in has Wash U and Wheaton so they're a 3 seed and Whitewater is a 4. If they were in the 8 team bracket in the bottom of that quadrant, with St Thomas and Stevens Pt. and Puget Sound they'd be a 3 seed or possibly a 4 seed there. They only get a higher seed if the NCAA  puts them in the upper quadrant. They are probably the best 3 seed in the country but it is what it is.

8 x's 4 seed = 32 =  29 to 32 seed
4 x's 8 seed = 32 =  29 to 32 seed

8 x's 3 seed = 28 = 25 to 28 seed
4 x's 7 seed = 24 = 25 to 28 seed

Never thought they were any more than that.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 06, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Based on any seeding, #1 can't play #3...that's why I had St. Thomas #1 and Stevens Point #4...#2 plays #3...thus UPS v Whitworth, with CMS the #6.

The seeds in that bracket are thrown off by the geography.  I suspect it's:

St. Thomas
Stevens Point
UPS
Whitworth
CMS
Cornell
Aurora
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larry_u

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 06, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Based on any seeding, #1 can't play #3...that's why I had St. Thomas #1 and Stevens Point #4...#2 plays #3...thus UPS v Whitworth, with CMS the #6.

I know...I'm just saying that I think my list was the actual original seeding, and then things obviously were changed but on geographical principle not actually seeding criteria.  Yes physically a # 1 can't play a # 3, but if you have to play with the geography like the NCAA does, thats what you get, an unbalanced bracket.
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hickory_cornhusker

Quote from: sac on March 06, 2009, 03:22:13 AM
1-8 or 1-16 it still means the NCAA considered Platteville between 25 and 32 in the 60 team field.

If they show up wearing their road uniforms, I'll be even more mystified, mostly because that means Hope is the higher seed.

I have heard on the WIAC boards that Platteville willbe wearing white tonight.

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Yeah, the fans or team or whatever requested Platteville fans wear white shirts too.
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Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 06, 2009, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 06, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Based on any seeding, #1 can't play #3...that's why I had St. Thomas #1 and Stevens Point #4...#2 plays #3...thus UPS v Whitworth, with CMS the #6.

The seeds in that bracket are thrown off by the geography.  I suspect it's:

St. Thomas
Stevens Point
UPS
Whitworth
CMS
Cornell
Aurora

I am SURE you are right.  :P  If only those final secret regional rankings were published...some day. ::)
NWC fan

magicman

Quote from: sac on March 05, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
I don't have a problem with the matchup, but I find it really tough to stomach the NCAA slotted UW Platteville as what appears to be an 8th seed.

Even if Wheaton's a #2 seed, that puts UWP as a #7 seed.
sac,
This was your original statement. That you thought UW-Platteville is an 8th or 7th seed.
Aren't there 8 seeds of each #1 thru #7 and 4# 8 seeds along with 4 byes(which would be 8th seeds if there were 64 teams instead of 60). And doesn't that mean the 4 # 8 seeds are teams 56-60, leaving the 8 #7 seeds 48 thru 56? Am I missing something?

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Decided to make it more than one round!
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2nd round pairings...what a joke!

#4 Stevens Point at #1 St. Thomas
#5 Platteville at #3 Wheaton
#8 Whitewater vs. #2 Washington U. at Elmhurst
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#74
I'm glad Averrett and Guilford had to go to Kentucky to play each other.  Unfortunate for their fans.

As for the actual worst game - WPI and UMassD - both got lucky first round pairings.
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