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pudge27

Quote from: OshDude on May 03, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 02, 2010, 02:30:33 PM



In lieu of some high tech algorithm, I think that Skidmore taking 3 from UR is a pretty darn good reason to rate them ahead of them.  UR really can't complain at all.  Didn't you also drop 2 to Fisher and are ranked ahead of them?  This ranking is a gift.  I don't think that most people in NY have a dislike for Rochester, but you are putting many of us on a fast track in that direction.  

I'd like to give an opinion on the national rankings.  This is just an opinion and I don't really know nothing from nothing.  Keep in mind that this is D3 BASEBALL.  The peope who vote can't possibly see everyone play.  And YES, you DO have to develop a good reputation before you find yourself consistently in the top 25.  I can tell you from some experience that you shouldn't expect to be in the top 25 unless you've at least MADE regionals for a couple of years running, no matter how good you THINK you are.  If someone in Wisconsin has a vote and has to choose between UR or Skidmore vs RPI or Ithaca or Cortland, guess who gets the vote.

The bottom line if you think a certain team is very talented and they can't seem to beat anybody after mid April, they ain't that good!!!  If UR can come out and win their league tourney and make it to regionals, that's great.  Do it again next year and then you'll have that reputation to expect a good ranking.  Until then, just beat people on the field and park the conspiracy theories.  
A Wisconsin voter gave Rochester one of its two votes last week, BTW.

Exactly why I prefaced with "I don't know nothing from nothing."  Bit of Murphy's law that my example gets proven wrong, but I hope people got the point.  I live in Rochester and hope that they do well, but I also think that it's foolish to complain about perceived slights in the rankings when you've dropped 5 games to teams that you're jockeying with for position.  Knock off the big boys consistently (and I don't mean Clarkson, no offense intended) and the rankings take care of themselves.  If you're team is really that good, it's also not the worst thing in the world to float under the radar a bit.  A lot less pressure than Cortland has, having won their conference like 17 out of the past 20 years.

BoomerIL

Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
I think there should be a NO FATHER rule on here.  Do you guys read what you write???  Savor it, boys, win one for the gipper.  Get a grip!!!  I don't want to read the Rochester newspapers if U of R doesn't win the conference tourny and not get a bid.  Suicide rates on the rise, story at 11.

BTW, congrats to U of R, regardless of the mushy crap on here, for a good season and winning the conference regular season title.  Still plenty to do in the 3 and 4 spots next weekend.  Will all u U of R guys be on the road scouting??

Obviously you don't have any kids!!  When you do find someone to share your life with and have children, especially if one of them is a boy, and they have the talent to play college baseball, let me know.  I can then share with you those great feelings of watching our sons playing baseball.  Your father was there for you, wasn't he?  Ask him how he felt. ;)     
"You observe alot by watching"  -  Yogi Berra

Ron Ron

Quote from: AlleyCat on May 03, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
What would the tie breaker be if St Lawrence and RPI both end up 13-11 in the league. They have played all the teams ahead of them equally?

Would it come down to RPI losing one game to Vassar, if Vassar ends up ahead of Union. If thats the case even that series will have playoff implications.



Yes, the tie breaker would go down as far as it has to, so if RPI and St. Law were to end up tied (assuming RPI and Skidmore split like St. Law/Skid), the tiebreaker would eventually go down to record vs. Vassar or Union (depending which one finishes ahead of the other).  Could get very, very interesting.

airball55

Boomer, that may have been the most lame thing I have ever read.  I still like U of R though.  Onto the final weekend!!

BoomerIL

Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Boomer, that may have been the most lame thing I have ever read.  I still like U of R though.  Onto the final weekend!!

That's what I like about this web site.  You express any opinion, or show support, or question a particular issue, even ask a legitimate question, and its ignored.  You make comments like I do, but mine are meaningless and lame.  And, right now I couldn't give a rats behind whether you liked UR or not.  You make a dumb comment about fathers on this site, and then you can't answer a simple question about your own experience with your parental support.  Yup, what I said is lame according to you, and you dodged the comment and question.  I guess your input on this site is about as worthless as mine.
"You observe alot by watching"  -  Yogi Berra

Ron Ron

Easy there guys. Can't we all just get along?

DefenseWins

Thinks it safe to say that after there losses to middlebury, union, and oneonta today that skidmore is done for the at large bid

Truthfinder

I would say the same, and add that unless Cortland and maybe Rochester slip in their tournaments, no one from the NY Region deserves a Pool C. No one.

DefenseWins

What if Oneonta State gets to the SUNYAC championship???? Committee's i would assume have a great deal of politics involved (like everything else in this country) and when they see that an Oneonta team, who say beats cortland in game 1 and then loses two in the championship, with one of the most renound D3 pitchers in the nation, does that play a role in possibly oneonta getting that bid? Who out of new york gets it?>

John McGraw

Quote from: DefenseWins on May 05, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
What if Oneonta State gets to the SUNYAC championship???? Committee's i would assume have a great deal of politics involved (like everything else in this country) and when they see that an Oneonta team, who say beats cortland in game 1 and then loses two in the championship, with one of the most renound D3 pitchers in the nation, does that play a role in possibly oneonta getting that bid? Who out of new york gets it?>

New York teams are not guaranteed an at-large bid into the tournament. The teams fighting for a spot in the Pool C at-large selection field are located across the nation. While there usually is an at-large Pool C team in the field from New York, it is not always guaranteed. Like was said on the other board, Cortland and Rochester are possibly the only two teams that have a chance at a Pool C if they do not win their conference tournaments. Though, if UR goes two and out, that may seriously damage its' chances.

airball55

Now I am dumb.  Also, are you a dad Boomer??  Kind of sounds like it..

Sorry guys, had to throw that one in there.  All eyes on the north country this weekend as St. Law and Clarkson hooks it up.  Schedule makers happy with two really important conference series to end the season.  RPI has to play to get in, this is a first.  Anyway, I will take a shot at my predictions

RPI/Skidmore:  Tough one here, RPI needs them and Skidmore has nothing to play for

I'll take RPI 3-1

Clarkson/St. Lawrence:  I will take Clarkson also here 3-1.  Dangerous team at a time of year they like

Union/Vassar-  I will take the easy way out and go with a split 2-2.  Really wanted to take Vassar for three but can't pull the trigger on that.

Rochester is off.  Should be fun to watch.

BBFan62

This week will be fun to watch indeed!
The conference tournament should be very exciting, as all the teams have a pitcher or two capable of shutting anyone down. All 4 teams will have a good shot at taking the step to the Regional tournament.
I just don't like Rochester being off 2 weeks prior to conference play, although on the bright side all exams will be finished and they'll be sleeping in their own bed for the conference tournament.

AlleyCat

Weather could play a factor this weekend. It looks like Skidmore/RPI have already moved their Saturday games to Friday afternoon. I would hope St Lawrence/Clarkson would do the same, but you can't count on that with what happened last weekend. Clarkson decided not to cover the field so they could only play 3 games and not the 4th. If one of those 2 play 2 and win both the ones who won 2 might not want to play the next day.  RPI and Skidmore always try to play all 24 which is how it should be.

Vassar 3 of 4 agaist Union
RPI and Skidmore - RPI 3 to1
Clarkson and St Lawrence 1 & 1 - they'll find a way to only play 2

Just my thoughts.......

reddragon00

Looks like this weekend in Liberyt will be classic.  I hope the weather holds!!!  Great weekend for NY region baseball, the SUNYACS, Liberty League final weekend, and E8 weekend with RIT  and IC.  if IC sweeps they tie Fisher.....that doesn't look good for Fisher!.  Clackson re-did the infield but they DON'T have a tarp....that doesn't make any sense!  Should have spent the money for it!!!!

Stay tuned! :o

DefenseWins

predictions for the weekend

Clarkson v St Lawrence...........Clarkson 3-1
Skidmore v RPI............2-2
Vassar v Union..........2-2