BB: LL: Liberty League

[reddragon00]

The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state???  Kidding me??  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL?

[airball55]

Kudos to the committee on the NY selections.  I think Oneonta is a great pick and have kind of been lobbying for them all along with 2 wins against Cortland and a win against Fisher.  I can see them in over Rochester, not by much, but can see it.  I think the three seed is a bit high but nonetheless a pretty solid selection.

[John McGraw]

The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state???  Kidding me??  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL?

Fisher will remove the interim tag from Brandon Potter IMO. The posting is probably just EOE. Not hiring a coach that got the team to the playoffs for only the second time in school history would be a joke.

[airball55]

Yes, that would be an awful joke.  Then to consider a guy who is 3-14 in the Liberty League playoffs is even more entertaining.  Nothing against Coach Reina, but come on.  That would be like firing Jim Boeheim and hiring Norm Roberts. 

I also think the Oneonta pick is a solid one.  They have wins against Cortland (2), Fisher (1) as well as Skidmore (1).  The only downside was their 0-3 record against Brockport, also a regional team.  They played Farmingdale as well.  10 games against regional opponents is a nice test (4-6 in those games).  But are they more than a one trick pony (Filak)??

BTW, how about D3baseball hanging the committee right out to dry on that selection on their front page??  I think that is good stuff to create opinionated discussions, although personally I think they are wrong.  (They did mention it was correcting a mistake at the end however)

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- I think our take was that this was the better choice. So why were the last regional rankings in the other direction?

[RSSmith]

Yes -- I think our take was that this was the better choice. So why were the last regional rankings in the other direction?

I thought it might have been an effect of OWP changing (even after team A has quit playing, its season opponents may have more games), so I compared the last two SOS numbers and, sure enough, they had moved slightly, but in Plattsburgh's favor.  There's a soft factor in there that they don't tell us about.

[Pat Coleman]

Always endemic in the regional ranking process is the national committee's ability to overrule a regional ranking committee and change a regional ranking.

However, again, the national committee can exercise this power at any time, not just in the final week.

[BaseB13]

Yes, that would be an awful joke.  Then to consider a guy who is 3-14 in the Liberty League playoffs is even more entertaining.  Nothing against Coach Reina, but come on.  That would be like firing Jim Boeheim and hiring Norm Roberts. 

I also think the Oneonta pick is a solid one.  They have wins against Cortland (2), Fisher (1) as well as Skidmore (1).  The only downside was their 0-3 record against Brockport, also a regional team.  They played Farmingdale as well.  10 games against regional opponents is a nice test (4-6 in those games).  But are they more than a one trick pony (Filak)??

BTW, how about D3baseball hanging the committee right out to dry on that selection on their front page??  I think that is good stuff to create opinionated discussions, although personally I think they are wrong.  (They did mention it was correcting a mistake at the end however)

While I agree UR has not gotten it done in the LL playoffs I do think their coach has done a good job at UR.  I don't think it's entirely fair to compare those two coaches right now.  Recruiting at UR is VERY different than recruiting at SJFC.  I don't think you can tell what a coach is really made of until he's coaching his guys that he recruited.  College baseball is a lot more about recruiting than X's and O's.  Coach Pepicelli did one heck of a job with the guys he brought in this year and in recent years.  That being said, kudos to the current coach for not messing it up and getting the job done this season.

[airball55]

I didn't write that well and I know all the Rochester guys will read it the way I wrote it.  I was referring more to the point that why would Fisher hire anyone but the guy they have now?  My previous posts have always been supportive of Coach Reina, he has a solid program over there.  I just found it odd that someone would say that a move like that would be better for Fisher and Coach Reina.  No way.

[BoomerIL]

The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state???  Kidding me??  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL?

Yes, the "boys" may have failed, or folded, as you put it.  That's baseball.  As for Coach Reina, you don't have a dam clue as to what type of coach or person he is.  And, as far as any of your other expert thoughts are concerned, I do believe you don't understand much of anything since you suffer from a cranial rectal inversion, and because of this affliction, have trouble seeing anything clearly. 

[scscoach]

I attended the LL tourney last weekend and had a great time. Two post game events stand out in my mind that I would like to mention.
The first happened after Skidmore knocked off Rochester on Saturday. The Skidmore team lined up to shake hands but the Rochester team ran out to left field. While Skidmore waited, their coach approached the Rochester dugout and spoke with the coach. The two of them shook hands then the Skidmore coach took his team to right field. I thought this was a clear act of poor sportsmanship by the host team. I understand the Rochesters coach's disappointment of watching his team collapse once again down the stretch run of a season and yes, that was Skidmore 4th straight win against his team, but he should show more class. Perhaps it's events like that one that prevent his team from building the character needed to become a champion.
The other event followed the Clarkson-Skidmore Championship game. After the game, the Skidmore team celebrated on the field. It was your typical baseball celebration scene. As it happened the Clarkson team patiently waited along the 1st baseline to shake hands. They did not pout or complain, they just waited for Skidmore to enjoy the moment. Soon after, the Skidmore team formed the traditional line and the post game hand shake took place. I was standing right next to the fence and heard over and over "congratulations", "good job" and "good luck in regionals". I was so amazed at the class of the Clarkson team who was clearly heartbroken after the loss. Following the handshake, the Clarkson team went out to right field with the coaching staff. Shortly after they got there, the plaque and banner presentaion began. The Clarkson team stopped what they were doing and hustled back into the infield to join in the honoring of Skidmore as the 2010 Champion. Only after the final words were spoken about Skidmore's championship did Clarkson return to right field to finish. Perhaps it's events like these that help to build the team character needed to become a champion, which Clarkson was in 2009.
If given the option which of these two coaches would you want your son to play for and learn from?
Congratulations to Skidmore for winning the title.
Congratulations to Clarkson for earning the respect.

[DefenseWins]

Clarkson and Skidmore both probably the most well mannered and classiest teams of the league from what I have seen from both of them. I have seen both teams play several times and there is never any jawing with other teams, screaming at the umpired (plourde and kane take care of that) and conversation between opposing teams on and off the field (good conversation)...These two teams have been disiplined to respect the game and their competitors and i commend both staffs for doing so. Clarkson showed a great act of sportsmanship where UR did the opposite. I heard a parent of a four year player say that was the first time he didnt see both teams shake hands after a liberty league game. Im not saying the kids are disrespectful, but coach reina should know better and be better. Is it coinicidence that two of the most disiplined, classiest teams are usually there in the end? Sometimes you get the RPI squad there in the end, and we all know how good their class is. Good luck to skidmore is regionals, would love to go watch some good baseball, running out of vacation days. and great post by the previous poster to this message for noticing the class of the two teams, if  knew how to use the Karma feature you would be getting +1 from me.

[RSSmith]

Clarkson and Skidmore both probably the most well mannered and classiest teams of the league from what I have seen from both of them. I have seen both teams play several times and there is never any jawing with other teams, screaming at the umpired (plourde and kane take care of that) and conversation between opposing teams on and off the field (good conversation)...These two teams have been disiplined to respect the game and their competitors and i commend both staffs for doing so. Clarkson showed a great act of sportsmanship where UR did the opposite. I heard a parent of a four year player say that was the first time he didnt see both teams shake hands after a liberty league game. Im not saying the kids are disrespectful, but coach reina should know better and be better. Is it coinicidence that two of the most disiplined, classiest teams are usually there in the end? Sometimes you get the RPI squad there in the end, and we all know how good their class is. Good luck to skidmore is regionals, would love to go watch some good baseball, running out of vacation days. and great post by the previous poster to this message for noticing the class of the two teams, if  knew how to use the Karma feature you would be getting +1 from me.

Hang around long enough (seems like about 200 posts) and the Karma feature will show up on your screen.

[reddragon00]

Disapointing to hear that UR did that.  Doesnt  sound like them...but there is a first for everything!  Clarkson is a class group no s=doubt but Skidmore.......Seen them play and watched there coaches complain about EVERYTHING under the sun!  Discipline is a little suspect!  Hope to see then vs. Cortland.  Looking at the Regional....cakewalk for my Red Dragons???  Dont see much standing in there way.  No offese to Skidmore, but they have no Offense. Fisher may be tough but do they have enough arms??   Keene State i hear is pretty good.

THoughts?

[scscoach]

The Skidmore hitting has shown steady improvement since they were no-hit at RPI on 5/9. It's quite obvious that adjustments have been made. They are  using a much more aggressive approach at the plate and do not seem to be hitting behind in the count nearly as often.
The pitching and defense have been awesome, keeping them in most games. If the hitting continues to improve and they can survive deep enough into the tourney to match up against teams 3, 4 and 5 pitchers I like their chances. I have to agree though, Cortland is a clear favorite.