BB: LL: Liberty League

[pudge27]

To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   

AWESOME.  There are very few putdowns as great as douchebag.  A little perspective here.  Maybe a bad move by UR, but until it's a pattern, just chalk it up to a mistake.  UR doesn't have a bad rep in the sportsmanship category, don't give them one for a single misstep.  Mistake is one thing, classless is a whole other realm which doesn't apply here. 

[BoomerIL]

To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   

AWESOME.  There are very few putdowns as great as douchebag.  A little perspective here.  Maybe a bad move by UR, but until it's a pattern, just chalk it up to a mistake.  UR doesn't have a bad rep in the sportsmanship category, don't give them one for a single misstep.  Mistake is one thing, classless is a whole other realm which doesn't apply here. 

Putdown or not to "trider400t," here's the deal, I talked to the coach, and he said that because the first game ran long he was trying to keep on schedule to get the next game going.  He admits he/they forgot the protocol of shaking hands after the game becaues they felt like it was the usual conference doubleheader.  It was a mistake!!!  Coach apologized for the mistake to the Skidmore coach.  It wasn't intentional and the Skidmore coach understood.  This was explained before to everyone on this site, even to all who read this post.  If the explanation isn't good enough for everyone, it's to damn bad!!!!  Someone always wants to start some crap, and then keep it going.  We're supposed to be educated, intelligent people with opinions, comments, experience, and information about a defined level of college baseball, some more knowledgeable than others.  Nonetheless, some should realize that mistakes happen.  If YOU, "trider400t" want to pick-****-with-the-chickens, go ahead.  I've lowered myself to your level by venting on you, and about your stupid comment.  I've taken my share of shots from posters about UR in the past, but not this one.

[TRhit]

Boomer


No need to apologize--I have known both coaches a few years longer than you have and I can tell that they are both fine gentlemen on top of being great baseball men--- when I saw the first "sour grapes" post regarding the situation I said there had to be some mistake because that is not the men I know.

That being said my son can play for either of them anytime---they will leave the program as a better young man

Congratulations to both Coach Reina and Coach Plourde on a fine season and special congrats to Coach Plourde on his Coach of the Year Award

By the way congrats to  Andy on his fine career at Univ of Rochester

[trider400t]

To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   

Hey, way to resort to name calling what are you three? No wait, youre a Rochester parent. Thanks for making my point for me. 

[magicman]

D3Baseball has announced their All American Teams. Dave Filak of Oneonta St. was named to the 1st team for his outstanding year on the mound. He was the only player from the SUNYAC, Liberty League or Empire 8 to make the list.

Here is the link for the complete list of All Americans:

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/d3baseball-allamericans-2010.pdf

[spectator123]

Anything happen in fall ball that changes any projections this year...
new recruits or  transfers?

[baseballislife]

No nibbles on the conversation starter, eh spectator123?  In an effort to forget about the 82 feet of snow outside, I'll give it a go.  We know there are two new coaches in the LL - St. Lawrence and Union.  Any thoughts on them?  Some "key loss" thoughts:

Gotta start with the defending play-off champs....
Skidmore - Marcus- 9-2 record as SP, 2.43 ERA, started in OF when not pitching, hit .320
                  Stork-   6-3 record as SP, 3.09 ERA
                 Mendell- .330 as starting 2b
                 Cornachione- .309 as an infielder regular (3rd?)
                 Ferri- .301 as starting SS
                 Pisani- .264 as starting catcher, handled best pitching staff in the league

Defending regular season champs....
Rochester - Stein- .413 as starting SS
                  Fuke- .331 as starting 3b
                  Cannon- .327 as starting OF

                 
Play-off teams.... 
Clarkson - Magovney- 4-0 pitcher with 2.16 ERA
                Peplowski- .357 as IF/DH starter
                Torbitt- .311 OF starter
                Curry- .290 IF starter

St. Lawrence - Duff- .275 IF starter
                      Harris- .264 position player starter

Others....
RPI - Mondo- 5-2 record as SP, 2.17 ERA
        Washburn- 5-3 record as SP, 3.92 ERA
        Reardon- .385 as starting catcher
        Mamigonian- .378 as starting OF
        Robinson- .365 as starting 3b
        Krushelynski- .338 as starting 1b

Vassar - Glantz- .291 as position player starter

Union - McKelligan- team low 4.26 ERA as a pitcher, .315 BA
            Johnson- .338 as position player starter
            Mene- .311 as position player starter

On the face of it, it seems that Skidmore and RPI lost the most.  Any comments on these losses or new recruits/transfers?
         



                 

[BBFan62]

BBislife (sure is!)
What a better way to spend a cold, frozen, Midwest day than type baseball.
Rochester probably has the biggest losses of all.

Stein - Player of the Year
Fuke - very steady
Cannon - Career hit record; solid defensively.
However they lost the following players as well:

Nate Kowal - leading pitcher - 7-2, 70.2 IP, 2.04 era
The other pitchers lost appear to be DiLorenzo, Rowan, Guzski (graduated), Karlsen.

The only remaining starters are Ludwig and Menke.

The incoming Freshmen look like they can fill in. However, most of the pitching is untested and a couple of the Freshmen may need to jump into starting position roles.

It is going to be very interesting! Is it spring yet??? Wake me when it is.

[DefenseWins]

Rochester does seem to have lost alot of talent. Skidmore has also. Losing Stork, Marcus, Mendell, and Pisani hurts alot. So does losing Stein, Fuke, and those pitchers listed above. Gonna be hard to tell who is for real this year. Im sure Rochester will still be up there in terms of talent. Skidmore may have a down year due to loss of pitching and their catcher who caught almost every game for that staff. RPI may bounce back, or at least history says they should since last year was the first time they didnt make the playoffs in several years. Clarkson I think may be the team to beat this year (just a out on the limb guess right now). St Lawerence I dont have a clue. Union- new coach prolly gonna take him a couple years to formulate a competitive team if he stays (that program has been a mess).

[BBFan62]

Defensewins,

As we know, all teams have adjustments to make and players that must step up the following year; that's what makes all the speculation fun - you just never know.

In Rochester's case they still have veterans in Chanatry, Cacciola, Wexler, and Schwartz. Between them they logged 75.2 innings last year. Kowal did that almost on his own. With the pitching losses they have, it means between these guys and the Freshmen, 120 innings need to be absorbed.

Menke and Ludwig need to pick up about 25 innings each. Last year they logged 50.2 and 58.0 each. The guys above could each add additional innings. Schwartz should be on hand, as he will be another year removed from TJ surgery; last year he had 5.1 innings. They did pick up a couple of Freshmen that appear to be ready to contribute, but many questions do remain!

[spectator123]

Anything happen in fall ball that changes any projections this year...
new recruits or  transfers?

Will the bat changes make a difference in the league this year? For instance Rochester to some degree plays small ball...will that help them? Vassar also has a very good basestealer on the team. There definitely will be more pressure on the defense especially the catchers.

[BBFan62]

There is many opinions on the bats. In my view, if you have talented, fast,  infielders and IF your pitchers induce a lot of ground balls, you have  an edge.

It is claimed the ball won't come off the bat as fast, so I think you'll see fewer double plays, as the faster runners might beat the relay throw.

I believe you will see more small ball this year, again, because the ball will be slower as it is bunted. I don't think it helps Rochester anymore than it does other schools.

[baseballislife]

As with every college sports season, replacing vets depends on who you replace them with.  Just because guys are replaced due to graduation, grades issues, whatever, does not mean that the newcomers will not be an improvement.  That is why I tried to list only those who were obvious "key players" (missed Kowal form UR).  In fact, as programs improve, the likelyhood of new players replacing marginal vets who are still there increases.  That is unfortunate for those that lose their spots, but it is a competitive environment.

All freshmen are unproven until they play.  It is hard to speculate on how they will perform until it happens, regardless of how highly touted they are.  Transfers, at least, usually have some body of college work to look at.  Anybody have any good transfer info?

[baseballislife]

BBislife (sure is!)
What a better way to spend a cold, frozen, Midwest day than type baseball.
Rochester probably has the biggest losses of all.

Stein - Player of the Year
Fuke - very steady
Cannon - Career hit record; solid defensively.
However they lost the following players as well:

Nate Kowal - leading pitcher - 7-2, 70.2 IP, 2.04 era
The other pitchers lost appear to be DiLorenzo, Rowan, Guzski (graduated), Karlsen.

The only remaining starters are Ludwig and Menke.

The incoming Freshmen look like they can fill in. However, most of the pitching is untested and a couple of the Freshmen may need to jump into starting position roles.

It is going to be very interesting! Is it spring yet??? Wake me when it is.

Not spring just yet, BBfan62, 79 days till opening day....but who is counting?
You raise a good point on who UR has to replace.  League POY's are never easy to replace. Nor will be the consistency of Cannon and Fuke.  The pitching will be the key.  I don't think they will have trouble putting up runs with Caghan, Francis, and Just as their core (and several others who are capable of hitting well).  Newcomers will have to step up on the mound, but they have a veteran catcher and an excellent pitching coach to help them along.

[DefenseWins]

American Legion is going to wood bat in 2012. Think NCAA will follow suit. Not that NCAA follows Legion baseball but this may be the beginning of trend for baseball from ages 18 and up. Personally I would like to see it. Why try to replicate a wood bat in metal form?