BB: Central Region Rankings

[BigPoppa]

I think it is about 150 miles....

[OshDude]

Mileages can be found at this link. Franklin to IWU is 197 miles.

[BigPoppa]

Anyone want to take a shot at ranking the central region? The more I look at it, the more confused it makes me.

1. Wheaton 15-4 (8-3 in region)
2. Augustana 13-4 ( 8-4)
3. Webster 13-5 (9-1)
4. Simpson 10-6 (7-2)
5. Greenville 13-7 (10-3)
6. Coe 10-7 (9-5)
7. Carthage 11-6 (5-3)
8. Beloit 11-5 (7-3)
9. North Central 13-3 (7-2)
10. Central 13-6 (9-4)


There is not a ton of SOS factored in yet, but the in-region records are a large part of the bids. Do I really think that Greenville should be #5, no, but their numbers warrant their spot at this point.

[sportsguru4]

Anyone want to take a shot at ranking the central region? The more I look at it, the more confused it makes me.

1. Wheaton 15-4 (8-3 in region)
2. Augustana 13-4 ( 8-4)
3. Webster 13-5 (9-1)
4. Simpson 10-6 (7-2)
5. Greenville 13-7 (10-3)
6. Coe 10-7 (9-5)
7. Carthage 11-6 (5-3)
8. Beloit 11-5 (7-3)
9. North Central 13-3 (7-2)
10. Central 13-6 (9-4)


There is not a ton of SOS factored in yet, but the in-region records are a large part of the bids. Do I really think that Greenville should be #5, no, but their numbers warrant their spot at this point.

I realize SOS isn't added in but I'm not sure how you justify putting Simpson, Greenville, and Coe ahead of Carthage and Beloit at this point. Neither Beloit or Carthage has gotten off to the start people may have expected but you just look at the schedules that they have played compared to the schedules that the three teams you have ranked ahead of them and you can understand how some of those games could have gone either way. Both Beloit and Carthage have just one loss that I would say is a bad loss or a game that they should have not lost. Carthage's being to Benedictine and Beloit's being to Wisconsin Lutheran. I'll rank the Central like this at this point although I suspect when all is said and done it may play out differently.

1. Wheaton
2. Augustana
3. Webster
4. Carthage
5. Beloit
6. Simpson
7. North Central
8. Central
9. Greenville
10. North Park

on the cusp: Coe, St. Norbert

[upandin]

Coe just beat Simpson and Loras 2 out of 3.  In region record is 10 -5.  Out of conference losses include: a split with Wash U and Aurora, extra inning loss to then # 17 Keystone, a loss to DI Western Illinois, and  like Carthage a bad loss to Benedictine.  Good in-region wins: Aurora, Wash U, Simpson 2, Loras 2.  Other in-region wins: Wis Lutheran 2, Fontbonne, Cornell

[BearBaseball]

This is always fun. How would rank these anonymous teams?

Team A   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.688
Good Wins          WashU, Aurora
Bad Losses   Wisconsin Lutheran


Team B   
In Region%   0.667
Win%   0.611
Good Wins       WashU, Simpson (x2)
Bad Losses   Benedictine


Team C   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.588
Good Wins        Johns Hopkins, Coe
Bad Losses   Carleton


Team D   
In Region%   0.577
Win%          0.577
Good Wins        Coe, Greenville, Rochester, Platteville (x2), Beloit
Bad Losses   Brandeis

Team E   
In Region%   0.688
Win%   0.65
Good Wins          St. Norbert
Bad Losses   Knox, Spalding (x2)

[youcantseemestill]

You probably need to include a win over Aurora in Team B's good wins.   

I would put B over A because a loss to Wisconsin Lutheran is completely unacceptable!

[BigPoppa]

This is always fun. How would rank these anonymous teams?

Team A   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.688
Good Wins          WashU, Aurora
Bad Losses   Wisconsin Lutheran


Team B   
In Region%   0.667
Win%   0.611
Good Wins       WashU, Simpson (x2)
Bad Losses   Benedictine


Team C   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.588
Good Wins        Johns Hopkins, Coe
Bad Losses   Carleton


Team D   
In Region%   0.577
Win%          0.577
Good Wins        Coe, Greenville, Rochester, Platteville (x2), Beloit
Bad Losses   Brandeis

Team E   
In Region%   0.688
Win%   0.65
Good Wins          St. Norbert
Bad Losses   Knox, Spalding (x2)

It is sort of tough to call this unless we know how good the teams that they beat to build their in-region and overall percentages. Knowing what I know, team E looks solid, but also guessing that it is WashU and that they have cleaned up on SLIAC competition would cause me to reconsider.

[TurtleHead]

This is always fun. How would rank these anonymous teams?

Team A   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.688
Good Wins          WashU, Aurora
Bad Losses   Wisconsin Lutheran


Team B   
In Region%   0.667
Win%   0.611
Good Wins       WashU, Simpson (x2)
Bad Losses   Benedictine


Team C   
In Region%   0.7
Win%   0.588
Good Wins        Johns Hopkins, Coe
Bad Losses   Carleton


Team D   
In Region%   0.577
Win%          0.577
Good Wins        Coe, Greenville, Rochester, Platteville (x2), Beloit
Bad Losses   Brandeis

Team E   
In Region%   0.688
Win%   0.65
Good Wins          St. Norbert
Bad Losses   Knox, Spalding (x2)

It is sort of tough to call this unless we know how good the teams that they beat to build their in-region and overall percentages. Knowing what I know, team E looks solid, but also guessing that it is WashU and that they have cleaned up on SLIAC competition would cause me to reconsider.

Team E is Greenville,  Team D is Wash U. 

My question is what do you consider to be Good wins.  Team D seems to be anyone over .500 that they beat, but that criteria is not included for any other team.

[BearBaseball]

Come on! Knowing who the teams are takes all the fun out of it.

Since I know the most about Team D, I'll explain. Every "good" win from Team D is a team above .600, not .500. I would have also included a win against Illinois College if .500 was the criteria, but it wasn't. In fact, I was considering putting the loss to 9-5 Illinois College as a bad loss but then every team would have had a pile of bad losses. Coe is 11-7 (and looks like at least a top 2 team in the IIAC), Greenville is 13-7 (we'll see if they keep this up), Rochester is 14-4 (and nationally ranked in some poll), Platteville is 10-3 (another we'll see), and Beloit is 11-5 (and loved but most people on this board). Find me a better win than these that I missed from another team and I'll happily concede. I have Team D's OWP at .581. That is not a team that cleans up against the SLIAC.

(By the way A is Beloit, B is Coe, C is Simpson, D is WashU, and E is Greenville. Let me know games I missed if you want a better version of this list. I'd rank them B, A, C, D, E.)

[OshDude]

Come on! Knowing who the teams are takes all the fun out of it.

Since I know the most about Team D, I'll explain. Every "good" win from Team D is a team above .600, not .500. I would have also included a win against Illinois College if .500 was the criteria, but it wasn't. In fact, I was considering putting the loss to 9-5 Illinois College as a bad loss but then every team would have had a pile of bad losses. Coe is 11-7 (and looks like at least a top 2 team in the IIAC), Greenville is 13-7 (we'll see if they keep this up), Rochester is 14-4 (and nationally ranked in some poll), Platteville is 10-3 (another we'll see), and Beloit is 11-5 (and loved but most people on this board). Find me a better win than these that I missed from another team and I'll happily concede. I have Team D's OWP at .581. That is not a team that cleans up against the SLIAC.

(By the way A is Beloit, B is Coe, C is Simpson, D is WashU, and E is Greenville. Let me know games I missed if you want a better version of this list. I'd rank them B, A, C, D, E.)

I have it at .572 with a much lower OOWP. I didn't figure OOWP, but you get no help from the likes of Fontbonne, Greenville and Webster.

[TurtleHead]

Come on! Knowing who the teams are takes all the fun out of it.

Since I know the most about Team D, I'll explain. Every "good" win from Team D is a team above .600, not .500. I would have also included a win against Illinois College if .500 was the criteria, but it wasn't. In fact, I was considering putting the loss to 9-5 Illinois College as a bad loss but then every team would have had a pile of bad losses. Coe is 11-7 (and looks like at least a top 2 team in the IIAC), Greenville is 13-7 (we'll see if they keep this up), Rochester is 14-4 (and nationally ranked in some poll), Platteville is 10-3 (another we'll see), and Beloit is 11-5 (and loved but most people on this board). Find me a better win than these that I missed from another team and I'll happily concede. I have Team D's OWP at .581. That is not a team that cleans up against the SLIAC.

(By the way A is Beloit, B is Coe, C is Simpson, D is WashU, and E is Greenville. Let me know games I missed if you want a better version of this list. I'd rank them B, A, C, D, E.)

If .600 is the criteria then Wash U would not be able to be counted as a good win neither would Aurora.  

Greenville also beat Plateville.    

Wash U has also played 26 games compared to most teams who have played maybe 20 games or less at this time.  

[BearBaseball]

I think we're picking nits here and missing the point. Beating a team with a .570 win% or a .600 win% is a good win. .570 or .580 is a great OWP (does any team in the central have a better one?).  Yes, the SLIAC teams hurt the OOWP but IWU, Case, and Emory help it.

Point is, there's a perception that WashU is beating on the SLIAC while other teams have played more difficult schedules and had better records. That's not true.

[TurtleHead]

I think we're picking nits here and missing the point. Beating a team with a .570 win% or a .600 win% is a good win. .570 or .580 is a great OWP (does any team in the central have a better one?).  Yes, the SLIAC teams hurt the OOWP but IWU, Case, and Emory help it.

Point is, there's a perception that WashU is beating on the SLIAC while other teams have played more difficult schedules and had better records. That's not true.

I really do not have an issue with Washington U's schedule.  They play teams in the area.  Not much else they can do.   

I am more worried about several other things. 

- They have played 26 games and are 4 games above .500.
- They tend to play a lot of 7 inning games for double headers. 
- The appear to have only 1 true threat as a pitcher.  As highlighted last week when they played Beloit and Webster.  They threw Rogoff 1st game against Beloit (7 inn) then almost were 10 run ruled the next 3 games.

[BigToughGuy]

I think we're picking nits here and missing the point. Beating a team with a .570 win% or a .600 win% is a good win. .570 or .580 is a great OWP (does any team in the central have a better one?).  Yes, the SLIAC teams hurt the OOWP but IWU, Case, and Emory help it.

Point is, there's a perception that WashU is beating on the SLIAC while other teams have played more difficult schedules and had better records. That's not true.

I really do not have an issue with Washington U's schedule.  They play teams in the area.  Not much else they can do.   

I am more worried about several other things. 

- They have played 26 games and are 4 games above .500.
- They tend to play a lot of 7 inning games for double headers. 
- The appear to have only 1 true threat as a pitcher.  As highlighted last week when they played Beloit and Webster.  They threw Rogoff 1st game against Beloit (7 inn) then almost were 10 run ruled the next 3 games.

They were absolutely manhandled by Webster.