BB: Central Region Rankings

[Mr. Ypsi]

Coe at #1, and NPU omitted, are the two big surprises to me.

[upandin]

Do they post the sos #'s and region winning percentage #'s anywhere? Im guessing that would give some perspective on these rankings. 

[metaljacket]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

[metaljacket]

On the same subject...

Who are some other snubs?

Who else do you think will jump into the top 6 eventually?

[CrashDavisD3]

Do they post the sos #'s and region winning percentage #'s anywhere? Im guessing that would give some perspective on these rankings. 

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MBA&region=30&division=3

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

[forheavendial4999]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

[mr_b]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

If that *is* the answer, it's not a very convincing one.  Just look at the SOS for some other teams with 20+ wins: Texas-Tyler, Trinity Texas, St. Joseph's Maine: all have SOS lower than North Park's.  Just above NPU in the SOS rankings are Johns Hopkins, Adrian, and Ramapo.

[OshDude]

When the rankings were compiled, NPU was 20-5 in-region with a .500 SOS. That .500 mark is behind every team on the list and some others, including Carroll, Greenville and Knox.

[theoneandonly]

Well gentlemen, the weekend is here... We will see exactly how Spalding and Webster match up and if Spalding is preying on the weak OR can play with the big dog in the conference. Spalding goes into this weekend with a 13-0 SLIAC record and Webster with a 14-2 record.

[forheavendial4999]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

If that *is* the answer, it's not a very convincing one.  Just look at the SOS for some other teams with 20+ wins: Texas-Tyler, Trinity Texas, St. Joseph's Maine: all have SOS lower than North Park's.  Just above NPU in the SOS rankings are Johns Hopkins, Adrian, and Ramapo.

How many of those teams are in the same region as North Park?

[Pat Coleman]

I believe that Spalding is not a Central Region team. If they played anyone outside the SLIAC, like Augustana for example, it would not count as an in-region game.

The NCAA has been consistent in placing a team in the natural region of its conference, assuming the conference has a base of teams in one region, the outlier isn't something like 1,500 miles away, and the team didn't move from one D-III conference to another. When there's one (or two) outliers in the conference, those teams are often lumped with the others.

For example, York (Pa.) is in the South, Elms/Hamilton (NY) are in New England, etc.

Another possible reason for Spalding being in the Central is the current allocation of teams. The South and Central both have 37 teams. The Central number includes NWU while the South doesn't include early provisionals Berry and Covenent.

We don't know for sure what the NCAA will do with Spalding, but my hunch is that precedence will place it in the Central Region. If that's true, Spalding will have an array of regional nonconference options. It already does have a lot of options just by being in the wide-ranging Admin Region 3.

Elms is in Massachusetts, for what it's worth.

[mr_b]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

If that *is* the answer, it's not a very convincing one.  Just look at the SOS for some other teams with 20+ wins: Texas-Tyler, Trinity Texas, St. Joseph's Maine: all have SOS lower than North Park's.  Just above NPU in the SOS rankings are Johns Hopkins, Adrian, and Ramapo.

How many of those teams are in the same region as North Park?

I guess the point I was trying to make is that there are other teams with 20+ wins that have a comparable, or lower, SOS, but they are ranked within their own regions.  Of course, some regions are stronger than others.

[Ralph Turner]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

If that *is* the answer, it's not a very convincing one.  Just look at the SOS for some other teams with 20+ wins: Texas-Tyler, Trinity Texas, St. Joseph's Maine: all have SOS lower than North Park's.  Just above NPU in the SOS rankings are Johns Hopkins, Adrian, and Ramapo.

How many of those teams are in the same region as North Park?

I guess the point I was trying to make is that there are other teams with 20+ wins that have a comparable, or lower, SOS, but they are ranked within their own regions.  Of course, some regions are stronger than others.

Tyler and Trinity are penalized because there are only about 20 teams that they can realistically play.  Unless they take a plane trip to another part of the country to soak up some easy wins over high SOS teams, their SOS will hover around .500.  That has been discussed ad nauseum on the other boards, and I apologize to the newbies for that rant.   

Win your conference tourney, earn a Pool A bid and inflict another pair of losses on the conference competition in the Regional Rankings.

[mr_b]

Ralph, I agree -- the best way is to ignore the rankings and take care of business on the field.

[CrashDavisD3]

I would love to hear a good reason why North Park is not in the top 6.

If you plan to write one, please do not use the SOS as a reason, the team is 25-7.

Under those rules, I'm guessing you won't get an answer. Because that is the answer.

If that *is* the answer, it's not a very convincing one.  Just look at the SOS for some other teams with 20+ wins: Texas-Tyler, Trinity Texas, St. Joseph's Maine: all have SOS lower than North Park's.  Just above NPU in the SOS rankings are Johns Hopkins, Adrian, and Ramapo.

How many of those teams are in the same region as North Park?

I guess the point I was trying to make is that there are other teams with 20+ wins that have a comparable, or lower, SOS, but they are ranked within their own regions.  Of course, some regions are stronger than others.

Tyler and Trinity are penalized because there are only about 20 teams that they can realistically play.  Unless they take a plane trip to another part of the country to soak up some easy wins over high SOS teams, their SOS will hover around .500.  That has been discussed ad nauseum on the other boards, and I apologize to the newbies for that rant.  

Win your conference tourney, earn a Pool A bid and inflict another pair of losses on the conference competition in the Regional Rankings.

AMEN....Win it on the Field......I love it....!!!! Regional Rankings dont mean squat if you win a Pool A bid,

Don't leave it up to a committee. Teams can only blame themselves if they don't make it to the playoffs. I have seen teams lose their conference tourneys or lose their in region games and then wine that they won 30 games and stay home because they did not win the games they had to.