BB: Central Region Rankings

[BigPoppa]

My Predicted Regional Rankings:

1. North Central
2. Webster
3. Carthage
4. WashU
5. Coe
6. Spalding
7. Wartburg
8. St. Norbert
9. North Park
10. Chicago

Thoughts?

Coe won't be ahead of Wartburg after having lost all three games to them in the last week.

My bad... I meant to flip Coe and Wartburg.

[mwunder]

May 3rd...Still no Spalding???  How is Wartburg #2?  Why don't the records reflect "In-Region" games?


   CENTRAL            
1   North Central (Illinois)      22-9      22-9
2   Wartburg      21-10      21-10
3   Webster      29-7      29-7
4   Carthage      26-7      27-8
5   Washington U. in St. Louis      21-14      21-14
6   Coe      18-12      19-13
7   Augustana (Illinois)      23-12      23-12
8   Loras      21-12      21-13

[Jack Parkman]

May 3rd...Still no Spalding???  How is Wartburg #2?  Why don't the records reflect "In-Region" games?


   CENTRAL            
1   North Central (Illinois)      22-9      22-9
2   Wartburg      21-10      21-10
3   Webster      29-7      29-7
4   Carthage      26-7      27-8
5   Washington U. in St. Louis      21-14      21-14
6   Coe      18-12      19-13
7   Augustana (Illinois)      23-12      23-12
8   Loras      21-12      21-13

Spalding's schedule is ranked 302 out of 389, there should be absolutely no gripe about them not being ranked, regardless of what their record is.

Wartburg's schedule is 38th, enough said.

This same discussion happens every single year and the answer will always be the same- play a tougher schedule and you have a better chance if you do not win your conference or conference tournament.  Play a crap schedule and you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you do not win the automatic bid.

[BigPoppa]

Does Spalding make a move if they beat Webster this weekend?  They DO have a weak schedule, but most of that is due to the SLIAC mostly being very week. I also know they have trouble getting teams to come play them due to their distance from most of the Central Region teams.

They simply need to be willing to travel to play quality opponents.

[Just Bill]

May 3rd...Still no Spalding???  How is Wartburg #2?  Why don't the records reflect "In-Region" games?


   CENTRAL            
1   North Central (Illinois)      22-9      22-9
2   Wartburg      21-10      21-10
3   Webster      29-7      29-7
4   Carthage      26-7      27-8
5   Washington U. in St. Louis      21-14      21-14
6   Coe      18-12      19-13
7   Augustana (Illinois)      23-12      23-12
8   Loras      21-12      21-13

Because the two columns are Overall Record and Record vs. D-III. "In-Region" doesn't really matter anymore since all games vs. D-III opponents are now weighted equally.

[mwunder]

Because the two columns are Overall Record and Record vs. D-III. "In-Region" doesn't really matter anymore since all games vs. D-III opponents are now weighted equally.

Thanks Bill.

[BigPoppa]

ANY predictions for the Regional Rankings this week?

1. North Central (CCIW #1)
2. Webster (SLIAC #1)
3. Wartburg (IIAC #2)
4. WashU (UAA)
5. Carthage (CCIW #2)
6. Dubuque (IIAC #1)
7. Coe (IIAC #3)
8. St Norbert (MWC #1)
9. Augustana (CCIW #3)
10. Loras (IIAC #4)

[mwunder]

My non-scientific prediction:

#1  NCC       25-12   .676   .5964 (7)           .5362   0.576
#2  Webster      33-7           .825   .5297 (129)   .5296   0.530   --- lower strength of schedule than Wart, but wins make up for it.
#3  Wartburg    24-11   .686   .5601 (55)           .5206   0.547
#4  Wash U       21-14   .600   .5754 (23)           .5404   0.564
#5  Carthage     28-9           .757   .5260 (141)   .5312   0.528
#6  Dubuque     21-15   .583   .5250 (146)   .5093   0.520

Wash U could have an argument for 3rd based on all of the numbers aside from overall winning %.

[BigPoppa]

Updated Central region Rankings:

1.   Webster   33-7   33-7
2.   North Central (Illinois)   25-12   25-12
3.   Wartburg   24-11   24-11
4.   Carthage   29-9   30-10
5.   Washington U. in St. Louis   21-14   21-14
6.   Dubuque   21-15   21-15
7.   Loras   25-12   25-13
8.   Spalding   30-10

[BigPoppa]

Updated:

1.   Webster   33-7   33-7 (1-0 in SLIAC tourney, plays Spalding today)
2.   North Central (Illinois)   25-12   25-12 (1-0 in CCIW tourney Plays Carthage today))
3.   Wartburg   24-11   24-11 (1-0 in IIAC touney)
4.   Carthage   29-9   30-10 (1-0 in CCIW tourney, plays NCC today)
5.   Washington U. in St. Louis   21-14   21-14 (Done)
6.   Dubuque   21-15   21-15 (1-0 in IIAC tourney)
7.   Loras   25-12   25-13 (Lost to Luther in IIAC opener)
8.   Spalding   30-10 (1-0 in SLIAC Tourney, Plays Webster today))

[jaybird44]

From the Wash-U perspective, I'm hoping that the Bears can snag one of the last two or three bids.  If Webster wins the SLIAC Tournament, Wash-U would seem to be either the 2nd or 3rd-ranked Pool C hopeful in the region, depending on where Carthage is placed in the final regional rankings.  Good SOS, but a 21-14 overall record may be too pale in comparison to the other hopefuls clamoring to get to the table.

Thoughts?

[Ralph Turner]

From the Wash-U perspective, I'm hoping that the Bears can snag one of the last two or three bids.  If Webster wins the SLIAC Tournament, Wash-U would seem to be either the 2nd or 3rd-ranked Pool C hopeful in the region, depending on where Carthage is placed in the final regional rankings.  Good SOS, but a 21-14 overall record may be too pale in comparison to the other hopefuls clamoring to get to the table.

Thoughts?

I believe that Carthage played their way out of the NCAA's.

WashUStL needs Wartburg to hold. If that is the case, then I think that the Bears are the first team on the board for Pool B/C from the Central Region in the (undisclosed) Final Regional Rankings.

[AndOne]

From the Wash-U perspective, I'm hoping that the Bears can snag one of the last two or three bids.  If Webster wins the SLIAC Tournament, Wash-U would seem to be either the 2nd or 3rd-ranked Pool C hopeful in the region, depending on where Carthage is placed in the final regional rankings.  Good SOS, but a 21-14 overall record may be too pale in comparison to the other hopefuls clamoring to get to the table.

Thoughts?

At 21-14, Wash U's winning % of .600 is indeed pale. Is this the record of a team that deserves a shot at a national championship? If a Wash U kid scored 60% on any kind of exercise/exam he'd be more likely to get kicked out of school than to receive any type of reward. I'm thinking the door won't open.

[Mr. Ypsi]

From the Wash-U perspective, I'm hoping that the Bears can snag one of the last two or three bids.  If Webster wins the SLIAC Tournament, Wash-U would seem to be either the 2nd or 3rd-ranked Pool C hopeful in the region, depending on where Carthage is placed in the final regional rankings.  Good SOS, but a 21-14 overall record may be too pale in comparison to the other hopefuls clamoring to get to the table.

Thoughts?

At 21-14, Wash U's winning % of .600 is indeed pale. Is this the record of a team that deserves a shot at a national championship? If a Wash U kid scored 60% on any kind of exercise/exam he'd be more likely to get kicked out of school than to receive any type of reward. I'm thinking the door won't open.

While they fortunately got hot by the conference tourney to win a pool A bid, the 2010 national champion had a much worse record than .600!

[BigPoppa]

... and there is the reference I was waiting for!

IWU:Walnut and Bronze.