BB: Central Region Rankings

[BigToughGuy]

When the Cardinals clinch, a lot of regulars get rested in that next game. Webster still played their regular lineup.

When is the last time Greenville won a conference title, played in an NCAA regional, or won a game in an NCAA regional?  Like I said, Greenville is and always has been a lower tier team.

[#1PantherFan]

Just wondering BTG what your connection is with Webster? Coach, player, parent, student, or just a big fan of the Gorlocks?

[BigPoppa]

When the Cardinals clinch, a lot of regulars get rested in that next game. Webster still played their regular lineup.

When is the last time Greenville won a conference title, played in an NCAA regional, or won a game in an NCAA regional?  Like I said, Greenville is and always has been a lower tier team.

1991 Maryville University
1992 MacMurray College
1993 MacMurray College
1994 MacMurray College
1995 MacMurray College
1996 MacMurray College
1997 MacMurray College
1998 Fontbonne College
1999 Maryville University
2000 Westminster College
2001 Westminster College
2002 Blackburn College
2003 Fontbonne University
2004 Blackburn College
2005 Webster University
2006 Greenville College
2007 Webster University
2008 Webster University
2009 Webster University

Greenville won the SLIAC in 2006, but had not won it before and has not won it since. Webster really has not been a factor in the SLIAC until 2005 as the have won 4 of the past five and are looking to make it 5 of 6. Still, for a guy who is calling out Greenville, Webster has only really been on the national scene for 5 years. Since the SLIAC started in 1991, Webster is a dismal 162-180 in SLIAC play (.473) and has only had six winning seasons in that time(2010 will be their 7th). Granted, most of them have been recently, but I think it is interesting to call out Greenville as a struggling program when Webster itself has not been a model of consistency historically. Seven winning seasons in the last 20.

With respect to NCAA regional games, the Gorloks are 4-8 (.333) so it is not like they are lighting up the competition in the process, and have not advanced past the regional round. While they have really become the dominant team in the SLIAC in the last 5 years, it is hardly the picture you are attempting to portray.

[Gregory Sager]

Good response, BP!

[BigToughGuy]

Good response, BP!

Haha....funny that a guy from North Park (who Webster beat twice this year) thinks that's a good response. 

[Gregory Sager]

Good response, BP!

Haha....funny that a guy from North Park (who Webster beat twice this year) thinks that's a good response. 

It has nothing to do with that at all. The fact that NPU played Webster this season didn't even occur to me as I was reading Big Poppa's post. I said what I said because Big Poppa took the time and trouble to look up and provide the facts about SLIAC baseball history -- a gesture you could have done yourself when you were chiding the Greenville fan. The fact that you didn't and he did is to his credit.

More facts, less smack ... it's good advice that I'd like to see more people follow.

[BigToughGuy]

I had all the facts.  Webster has been to the tournament 4 times in the past 5 years and just clinched their 5th conference title in the last 6.  In their previous 2 regional appearances, they are 4-4 and appeared in the 2008 Central Regional Final. 

[Gregory Sager]

I had all the facts.

I'm glad to see you using them now. Nevertheless, you weren't the one who laid the 411 on us regarding the SLIAC. It was Big Poppa who did that, and that's why I gave him the kudos.

[theoneandonly]

I would like to personally state that BigToughGuy is not a great representative for the SLIAC boards. I appologize for his posts. He has always seemed to be quite a homer and doesnt face facts. sorry guys!

[BigToughGuy]

I stated Webster's accomplishments in my previous post.  What facts am I not facing?

[BigPoppa]

Congrats to North Central #20 and Webster #29 for being included in the ABCA Top 30 Poll this week.

[theoneandonly]

I stated Webster's accomplishments in my previous post.  What facts am I not facing?

The fact that SOS is taken into account. thats my only reply..

I agree big poppa. congrats on those two teams being in the top 30

[youcantseemestill]

You wouldnt have greenville in your top in the region? I find this hard to believe. Also what do you think about Neeces performance this season.. Will hands down be a 1st team all region, I definatly look for his name to be on the All American list.

I would like to personally state that BigToughGuy is not a great representative for the SLIAC boards. I appologize for his posts. He has always seemed to be quite a homer and doesnt face facts. sorry guys!

I stated Webster's accomplishments in my previous post.  What facts am I not facing?

The fact that SOS is taken into account. thats my only reply..

For someone who is trying to get on the Webster fan for being silly about his team, you seem to be doing a lot of false posturing as well.  For all of the run you think that Greenville deserves nationally, you have failed to mention that they have the 24th worst SOS in all of division 3. (excluding teams that have played less than 20 games)   Their .435 SOS ranks only higher than the following schools:

.434 - Becker
.433 - Drew, John Jay
.428 - Presentation
.426 -  Lehman
.423 - Northland
.422 - SUNY-Maritime, Elms
.419 - Principia
.416 - Philadelphia Bible
.415 - Illinois College
.413 - Crown
.410 - Mitchell
.409 - Penn St.-Berks
.407 - Yeshiva
.404 - Fransiscan
.401 - Penn St.-Harrisburg
.399 - SUNY-Purchase
.395 - Rivier
.390 - Daniel Webster
.375 - CCNY
.365 - SUNYIT
.346 - Lancaster Bible

[augie_superfan]

What do you all think this week regional rankings will look like?  Any changes?  I don't see many changes with the exception of NCC jumping St. Norbert.  Everyone in the top 6 had a decent week and I think the only team out of the top 6 that helped themselves was Coe (not enough to jump in the rankings however).  I know it all depends on if the committee can get the records correct but here is what I think will happen:

1. Buena Vista            23-10    0.540  (Should be 23-8 I believe)
2. North Central          23-5     0.506
3. St. Norbert             14-7     0.561
4. Carthage                18-9     0.522
5. Webster                 27-2     0.477
6. North Park              20-10    0.513

Others to consider:

Coe       20-11  0.494

The records above are regional through Sunday and the other number is the SOS.  Please correct me if you see incorrect records.

A question for those that have read the handbook religiously and understand it...in the primary criteria, it states "In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams".  I just want to make sure that this means they only look at results vs. Central region ranked teams and not say, for example, Carthage's games vs. Kean, St. Thomas, etc.

[Gregory Sager]

What do you all think this week regional rankings will look like?  Any changes?  I don't see many changes with the exception of NCC jumping St. Norbert.  Everyone in the top 6 had a decent week and I think the only team out of the top 6 that helped themselves was Coe (not enough to jump in the rankings however).  I know it all depends on if the committee can get the records correct but here is what I think will happen:

1. Buena Vista            23-10    0.540  (Should be 23-8 I believe)
2. North Central          23-5     0.506
3. St. Norbert             14-7     0.561
4. Carthage                18-9     0.522
5. Webster                 27-2     0.477
6. North Park              20-10    0.513

Others to consider:

Coe       20-11  0.494

The records above are regional through Sunday and the other number is the SOS.  Please correct me if you see incorrect records.

A question for those that have read the handbook religiously and understand it...in the primary criteria, it states "In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams".  I just want to make sure that this means they only look at results vs. Central region ranked teams and not say, for example, Carthage's games vs. Kean, St. Thomas, etc.

No, it doesn't.

There are three different methods by which a game is determined to be in-region or not. One is whether or not the opponent is within the team's evaluation region, which in this case is the Central Region (CCIW, IIAC, MWC, SLIAC). Another is whether or not an opponent's campus is located within 200 miles of the team's campus. Thus, for example, all of the NAthCon teams are considered in-region opponents for the CCIW's Chicagoland-based teams, and WIAC teams are considered in-region opponents for the likes of St. Norbert, Lawrence, and Ripon. Finally, NCAA administrative regions are also considered as defining in-region opponents. Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Iowa are all within NCAA Administrative Region Four, which includes everything west of the Mississippi River (and a couple of states east of it, namely Illinois and Wisconsin).

Thus, while a game against Kean (which is in New Jersey) wouldn't be considered in-region for Carthage, a game against St. Thomas (same administrative region) or Marian (Fond du Lac is within 200 miles of Kenosha) would.