BB: Central Region Rankings

[augie_superfan]

Yeah, that was a stupid question.  I should've realized that.  Thanks Greg.

[HITandRUN463]

It looks like NCC just beat the Univ. of Chicago  11-5

It also shows the Cards playing Rockford tomorrow

http://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2010/5/4/MTEN_0504100728.aspx

[theoneandonly]

You wouldnt have greenville in your top in the region? I find this hard to believe. Also what do you think about Neeces performance this season.. Will hands down be a 1st team all region, I definatly look for his name to be on the All American list.

I would like to personally state that BigToughGuy is not a great representative for the SLIAC boards. I appologize for his posts. He has always seemed to be quite a homer and doesnt face facts. sorry guys!

I stated Webster's accomplishments in my previous post.  What facts am I not facing?

The fact that SOS is taken into account. thats my only reply..

For someone who is trying to get on the Webster fan for being silly about his team, you seem to be doing a lot of false posturing as well.  For all of the run you think that Greenville deserves nationally, you have failed to mention that they have the 24th worst SOS in all of division 3. (excluding teams that have played less than 20 games)   Their .435 SOS ranks only higher than the following schools:

.434 - Becker
.433 - Drew, John Jay
.428 - Presentation
.426 -  Lehman
.423 - Northland
.422 - SUNY-Maritime, Elms
.419 - Principia
.416 - Philadelphia Bible
.415 - Illinois College
.413 - Crown
.410 - Mitchell
.409 - Penn St.-Berks
.407 - Yeshiva
.404 - Fransiscan
.401 - Penn St.-Harrisburg
.399 - SUNY-Purchase
.395 - Rivier
.390 - Daniel Webster
.375 - CCNY
.365 - SUNYIT
.346 - Lancaster Bible

I guess you cant read because that doesnt say nationally it says regionally. AND i was talking about neece being recognized nationally, which I will still stand by. Its just like the barry bonds situation.. Yeah he may have taken sterioids, but he still had to hit the ball.

[TurtleHead]

With the way the region is setting up it definitely looks like they will be bringing in a non-region team.  My guess would be Wisc Stevens Point.  Could also see someone like a Rose Hulman being brought over.  Maybe both.

Looks like the bids will go to.

CCIW - 2 bids
IIAC - 1 bid
SLIAC - 1 bid
MWC - 1 bid - may end up in mid-west again this year. 

[BigPoppa]

Carthage pounds Lakeland in a DH today 23-0 and 20-1. Will Hodges goes 7-9 with 3 HRs and 11 RBI. I am not sure if this help or hurts Carthage as it increases their in-region win percentage but decreases their SoS.

[JohnnyU]

If you weight 75*SOS+.25*Win% the central region rankings will be...

1. Buena Vista   0.592
2. Webster   0.590
3. North Central (Ill.)   0.588
4. St. Norbert   0.581
5. Carthage   0.561
6. North Park   0.559

Notice even with weighting SOS 3 times as much as Win% Webster is STILL the 2nd ranked team in the central region. How they were 5 last week is beyond me.

[theoneandonly]

johnny karma+1 for that. I AGREE. i think the sliac just has generally been so weak that those who are able to vote never give ANY sliac team a chance when it comes to rankings. just my opinion.

[BigPoppa]

We will have a much better view of things in a few hours when the regional rankings are released. I have a feeling that Webster may jump Carthage based on the Carthage loss to Millikin last weekend. Then  again, maybe not... Carthage has won ten of it past eleven games heading into a HUGE series with North Park this weekend.

[BigPoppa]

Second Regional Rankings Posted: 5/6/10

Central Region
1. Buena Vista 23-8 23-10
2. St. Norbert 14-7 17-10
3. North Central (Ill.) 23-5 28-5
4. Carthage 18-9 23-12
5. Webster 26-2 31-8
6. North Park 20-10 24-12

[theoneandonly]

Second Regional Rankings Posted: 5/6/10

Central Region
1. Buena Vista 23-8 23-10
2. St. Norbert 14-7 17-10
3. North Central (Ill.) 23-5 28-5
4. Carthage 18-9 23-12
5. Webster 26-2 31-8
6. North Park 20-10 24-12

Rediculous

[youcantseemestill]

If you weight 75*SOS+.25*Win% the central region rankings will be...

1. Buena Vista   0.592
2. Webster   0.590
3. North Central (Ill.)   0.588
4. St. Norbert   0.581
5. Carthage   0.561
6. North Park   0.559

Notice even with weighting SOS 3 times as much as Win% Webster is STILL the 2nd ranked team in the central region. How they were 5 last week is beyond me.

johnny karma+1 for that. I AGREE. i think the sliac just has generally been so weak that those who are able to vote never give ANY sliac team a chance when it comes to rankings. just my opinion.

Here is how the regional rankings work so some of you can understand the rationale for some of the slots, aside from the "we're getting screwed" rhetoric.

The committee looks at in-region record and SoS as the two criteria (we all know this).  They initially rank the teams based solely on the numbers.  So, for example, the team with the best in-region winning percentage gets 1 point, second best winning % gets 2, 3rd best gets 3 and so on.......  Then, they take SoS rankings.  The best SoS gets 1 point, 2nd best gets 2 points and so on..........Then, the add those two ranking numbers together.  The lowest combined score is ranked #1, second lowest #2 and so on.  That is the baseline for the top 6.  Now, it becomes the committee's job to protect the integrity of the rankings by making sure that a .500 team with the #1 SoS does not get ranked ahead of a team with a 24-6 regional record.  That is why teams like Webster and Greenville and BVU (after this weekend) get dropped in the rankings.  If you want proof of this formula, watch what happens to BVU after they play a three game set with a Cornell team that is 3-27.  That will add a 9-84 record to their SoS ranking.  

[OshDude]

If you weight 75*SOS+.25*Win% the central region rankings will be...

1. Buena Vista   0.592
2. Webster   0.590
3. North Central (Ill.)   0.588
4. St. Norbert   0.581
5. Carthage   0.561
6. North Park   0.559

Notice even with weighting SOS 3 times as much as Win% Webster is STILL the 2nd ranked team in the central region. How they were 5 last week is beyond me.

johnny karma+1 for that. I AGREE. i think the sliac just has generally been so weak that those who are able to vote never give ANY sliac team a chance when it comes to rankings. just my opinion.

Here is how the regional rankings work so some of you can understand the rationale for some of the slots, aside from the "we're getting screwed" rhetoric.

The committee looks at in-region record and SoS as the two criteria (we all know this).  They initially rank the teams based solely on the numbers.  So, for example, the team with the best in-region winning percentage gets 1 point, second best winning % gets 2, 3rd best gets 3 and so on.......  Then, they take SoS rankings.  The best SoS gets 1 point, 2nd best gets 2 points and so on..........Then, the add those two ranking numbers together.  The lowest combined score is ranked #1, second lowest #2 and so on.  That is the baseline for the top 6.  Now, it becomes the committee's job to protect the integrity of the rankings by making sure that a .500 team with the #1 SoS does not get ranked ahead of a team with a 24-6 regional record.  That is why teams like Webster and Greenville and BVU (after this weekend) get dropped in the rankings.  If you want proof of this formula, watch what happens to BVU after they play a three game set with a Cornell team that is 3-27.  That will add a 9-84 record to their SoS ranking.  

The last sentence is not correct. It doesn't matter how many games you play against an opponent. The in-region record of your opponent is averaged once, just like every other opponent on a team's schedule. So, if you play Cornell once, you can play them 200 more times and your OWP, OOWP and SOS won't change.

[OshDude]

Congrats to all the guys standing out in the classroom.
http://cosida.com/documents/2010/5/6/2010%20AAA_All-District_Baseball.pdf
D-III conference tally from our area (District V, VII):
Northern AC 8
MIAC 4
CCIW 4
IIAC 4
MWC 1
SLIAC 1
WIAC 0
UMAC 0
Rose-Hulman (Dist. V) 5
Wash U (Dist. VII) 1
NE Wesleyan (Dist. VII) 1

[Ralph Turner]

If you weight 75*SOS+.25*Win% the central region rankings will be...

1. Buena Vista   0.592
2. Webster   0.590
3. North Central (Ill.)   0.588
4. St. Norbert   0.581
5. Carthage   0.561
6. North Park   0.559

Notice even with weighting SOS 3 times as much as Win% Webster is STILL the 2nd ranked team in the central region. How they were 5 last week is beyond me.

johnny karma+1 for that. I AGREE. i think the sliac just has generally been so weak that those who are able to vote never give ANY sliac team a chance when it comes to rankings. just my opinion.

Here is how the regional rankings work so some of you can understand the rationale for some of the slots, aside from the "we're getting screwed" rhetoric.

The committee looks at in-region record and SoS as the two criteria (we all know this).  They initially rank the teams based solely on the numbers.  So, for example, the team with the best in-region winning percentage gets 1 point, second best winning % gets 2, 3rd best gets 3 and so on.......  Then, they take SoS rankings.  The best SoS gets 1 point, 2nd best gets 2 points and so on..........Then, the add those two ranking numbers together.  The lowest combined score is ranked #1, second lowest #2 and so on.  That is the baseline for the top 6.  Now, it becomes the committee's job to protect the integrity of the rankings by making sure that a .500 team with the #1 SoS does not get ranked ahead of a team with a 24-6 regional record.  That is why teams like Webster and Greenville and BVU (after this weekend) get dropped in the rankings.  If you want proof of this formula, watch what happens to BVU after they play a three game set with a Cornell team that is 3-27.  That will add a 9-84 record to their SoS ranking.  

The last sentence is not correct. It doesn't matter how many games you play against an opponent. The in-region record of your opponent is averaged once, just like every other opponent on a team's schedule. So, if you play Cornell once, you can play them 200 more times and your OWP, OOWP and SOS won't change.

Great post Oshdude!  +1!

Here is Appendix B from the Handbook.  It shows the way to calculate the OWP/OOWP.

Click here. Post #18

Link to Baseball Handbook

[augie_superfan]

I never realized that is how OWP is calculated either.  That method seems to completely flaw a major metric of how teams get selected to the NCAA tournament.  See simple example below:

Team 1 schedule:

Team A   3 games  20-5
Team B   1 game    5-20

Team 2 schedule:

Team A  1 game   20-5
Team B  3 games  5-20

NCAA's OWP:
Team 1:  0.500
Team 2:  0.500

Clearly Team 1 had the harder schedule but have nothing to show for it?  If the OWP was weighted by number of games then you get the following:

Team 1: 0.650
Team 2: 0.350

I just don't understand the NCAA...it's one thing to have all this regional criteria that gets everyone upset but the least they should do is use a formula that doesn't break down in some simple circumstances