BB: Central Region Rankings

[goldengear]

I would think they would be more in consideration for the 6th Pool B spot, from what everyone on this site seems to say they would be going after it along with Ithaca, York (Pa), Tomas More, and Washington and Jefferson.

By my analysis, they would seem to be ahead of Thomas More, Washington Jefferson and York (Pa). Ithaca would seem to be a little above them, certainly in qowi, but Ithaca is from a funky little 4 team conference so who knows who they really played.

The Rockford qowi surely went up in the tourney, but that would be tempered somewhat by Edgewood losing (and dropping below .667 in region) and Marian losing 2 in the tourney to drop below .500 in region (more due to losing 4 throw away games earlier this week to UW- schools, I think they had thier catcher pitch one of them)

[Pat Coleman]

I come up with 9.36 for Rockford's QOWI.

For ease of calculation on my part, I sorted the schedule by home and away/neutral, then regional winning percentage.

Date   Opp   RR   WPct.   Pts
  Mar 03, 2007 vs Pomona-Pitzer Coll.  W 10-9   23-8   .742   15
  Mar 03, 2007 vs Pomona-Pitzer Coll.     6-7  L  23-8   .742   7
*Apr 01, 2007   at Concordia Chicago       5-6  L   21-12   .636   5
*May 06, 2007   at Concordia Chicago    W  5-0   21-12   .636   13
^May 11, 2007   vs Concordia Chicago    W  7-5   21-12   .636   13
^May 12, 2007   vs Concordia Chicago    W 10-6   21-12   .636   13
*Apr 22, 2007   at Marian College          5-15 L   17-18   .486   3
*Apr 22, 2007   at Marian College       W 23-16   17-18   .486   11
^May 11, 2007   vs Marian College       W  7-0   17-18   .486   11
*Apr 28, 2007   at Concordia Wisconsin  W  5-4   16-19   .457   11
*Apr 28, 2007   vs Concordia Wisconsin  W 11-4   16-19   .457   11
4/15/2007   at Univ. of Chicago        0-1  L   13-16   .448   3
4/15/2007   at Univ. of Chicago     W  7-0   13-16   .448   11
*Apr 21, 2007   at Aurora University    W  1-0   13-18   .419   11
*Apr 21, 2007   at Aurora University    W  5-3   13-18   .419   11
3-May-07   Beloit College       W  4-2   10-14   .417   11
3-May-07   Beloit College       W  5-1   10-14   .417   11
2-Apr-07   at Clarke College       W  9-3   10-16   .385   11
24-Apr-07   at North Park Univ.     W  6-5   13-21   .382   11
*Apr 10, 2007   at Maranatha Baptist    W 11-2   2-20   .091   9
*Apr 10, 2007   at Maranatha Baptist    W 18-0   2-20   .091   9
2-May-07   Illinois Wesleyan       1-2  L   28-9   .757   6
17-Apr-07   Augustana Coll. Ill. W  9-4   27-11   .711   14
*Mar 27, 2007   Edgewood College        2-6  L   22-12   .647   4
*Mar 27, 2007   Edgewood College     W  8-4   22-12   .647   12
*Apr 18, 2007   Benedictine Univ.       3-6  L   14-17   .452   2
*Apr 18, 2007   Benedictine Univ.    W  3-0   14-17   .452   10
*Mar 25, 2007   Dominican University W  8-0   16-21   .432   10
*Mar 25, 2007   Dominican University W 12-2   16-21   .432   10
19-Mar-07   Beloit College          5-7  L   10-14   .417   2
20-Mar-07   Beloit College       W  7-0   10-14   .417   10
1-May-07   UW-Platteville       W 12-9   12-20-2   .382   10
*Apr 29, 2007   Lakeland College     W  9-8   9-16   .360   10
*Apr 29, 2007   Lakeland College     W 13-12   9-16   .360   10
*Apr 23, 2007   Wisconsin Lutheran   W  8-7   3-19   .136   8
*Apr 23, 2007   Wisconsin Lutheran   W 10-0   3-19   .136   8

Total: 337, divided by 36 games, 9.36

[Pat Coleman]

It's been pointed out that some games I have listed as neutral are actually home. That lowers the QOWI to 9.22.

[BigPoppa]

It's been pointed out that some games I have listed as neutral are actually home. That lowers the QOWI to 9.22.

That does not bode well for Rockford. Is there a chance they get in a get shipped out?

[Spence]

IF they get in, then there's probably a good chance they go north, IMO. Big if. I do think someone from the Central is going north go...chance it might be Carthage, though I hope not. I'm hoping they send the SLIAC champ (Webster I'm assuming, I don't care enough to actually look it up), though it depends I guess on how they're going to backfill the Central; whether it's Hope, Millsaps, Mount St. Joseph's, or someone else.

Doing something like moving Carthage north and Mount St. Joes west or Millsaps south would make some sense. Moving Carthage north and Hope west would only weaken a traditionally weak region.

But last year they moved some teams more than 500 miles for what seemed like no real good reason other than competitive balance, so if they follow that again, it's going to make it a lot harder for us to figure them out.

[BigPoppa]

Central Region:

Pool A's- Carthage, Luther, Webster
Pool B- Washington University, (Rockford? )
Pool C- Illinois Wesleyan, (Wartburg?, Augustana?, another region's team?)

One has to think that Luther will be #1, Wash U #2?, and Carthage and IWU #s 3 and 4 or #s 4 and 3 (don't want Ypsi to jump on me).

Webster will be a #5/6 seed and that leaves one or two spots open for Rockford(doubtful), Augie(third in CCIW season, second in CCIW tourney) and Wartburg IIAC season #1 and tourney #2)... or does one of them get in, but shipped somewhere else (possibly to the West Region)? This is a very interesting region.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I sure hope that Carthage and IWU are not 3 and 4 (in whichever order!) - I'd like to see another matchup, but let's save it past the first game!  (In basketball and football, they nearly always avoid conference matchups in the first round - is that also the norm in baseball?)

Hope to see you in the WINNERS' bracket, then again in the title game(s)!

[BigPoppa]

I also hope they avoid a Carthage/IWU first round matchup.

[soxfan14]

Central Region:

Pool A's- Carthage, Luther, Webster
Pool B- Washington University, (Rockford? )
Pool C- Illinois Wesleyan, (Wartburg?, Augustana?, another region's team?)

One has to think that Luther will be #1, Wash U #2?, and Carthage and IWU #s 3 and 4 or #s 4 and 3 (don't want Ypsi to jump on me).

Webster will be a #5/6 seed and that leaves one or two spots open for Rockford(doubtful), Augie(third in CCIW season, second in CCIW tourney) and Wartburg IIAC season #1 and tourney #2)... or does one of them get in, but shipped somewhere else (possibly to the West Region)? This is a very interesting region.

Although i respect your opinion and knowlesge when it comes to CCIW teams it would be nice to acknowledge that there are some other conferences that also play pretty well.
For you to suggest Rockford is doubtful but Augie and Wartburg you list their credentials seems like you don't seem to show much respect for them or the teams from the NATHcon.
As some one who has seen all of these 3 teams play in person I believe Rockford is just as worthy or maybe even more so . I watched Wartburg in Arizona  as they split with Aurora( the team that you said would walk thru the Nathcon but actually finished 8TH).
I witnessed Rockford play throughout the season (including a 9-4 win over Augustana)
It's not for me to say if Rockford is more deserving than the other 2m  as my view is slanted towards them, but if you really believe the 3rd place team in the CCIW is beter than a team that won both their reg.season and conference tour., i would say put down the CCIW kool aid.
I hope the people selecting the NCAA teams don't dismiss Rockford as easily as you seem to.

[BigPoppa]

For you to suggest Rockford is doubtful but Augie and Wartburg you list their credentials seems like you don't seem to show much respect for them or the teams from the NATHcon.
As some one who has seen all of these 3 teams play in person I believe Rockford is just as worthy or maybe even more so . I watched Wartburg in Arizona  as they split with Aurora( the team that you said would walk thru the Nathcon but actually finished 8TH).
I witnessed Rockford play throughout the season (including a 9-4 win over Augustana)
It's not for me to say if Rockford is more deserving than the other 2m  as my view is slanted towards them, but if you really believe the 3rd place team in the CCIW is beter than a team that won both their reg.season and conference tour., i would say put down the CCIW kool aid.
I hope the people selecting the NCAA teams don't dismiss Rockford as easily as you seem to.

I am simply going off what I believe the NCAA will do. The QOWIs back my opinion. It is not a slight against the NathCon, but I do not see the Central region getting two Pool B bids (Wash U is a lock). I think the NCAA agrees with me. Rockford has not been in the regional rankings for quite some time. Both IWU and Augie have been and IWU is a lock for the tourney. Augie made it to the CCIW final and beat a highly regarded IWU team in the process which upped their QOWI more than Rockford's wins over the weekend. Numbers don't lie.

Do I think it is right that the NathCon may not get a team in... no, but I can easily forsee it happening. It has nothing to do with not respecting the NathCon, it has to do with a feeling. I can see Rockford getting in, but being shipped to another region.

[Ralph Turner]

I don't think that Rockford gets shipped to another region if there is a plane flight involved.  The beauty about 53 teams is that it provides some flexibility in scattering the 6-team and 7-team brackets.

[mwunder]

Central Region:

Pool A's- Carthage, Luther, Webster
Pool B- Washington University, (Rockford? )
Pool C- Illinois Wesleyan, (Wartburg?, Augustana?, another region's team?)

One has to think that Luther will be #1, Wash U #2?, and Carthage and IWU #s 3 and 4 or #s 4 and 3 (don't want Ypsi to jump on me).

Webster will be a #5/6 seed and that leaves one or two spots open for Rockford(doubtful), Augie(third in CCIW season, second in CCIW tourney) and Wartburg IIAC season #1 and tourney #2)... or does one of them get in, but shipped somewhere else (possibly to the West Region)? This is a very interesting region.

Although i respect your opinion and knowlesge when it comes to CCIW teams it would be nice to acknowledge that there are some other conferences that also play pretty well.
For you to suggest Rockford is doubtful but Augie and Wartburg you list their credentials seems like you don't seem to show much respect for them or the teams from the NATHcon.
As some one who has seen all of these 3 teams play in person I believe Rockford is just as worthy or maybe even more so . I watched Wartburg in Arizona  as they split with Aurora( the team that you said would walk thru the Nathcon but actually finished 8TH).
I witnessed Rockford play throughout the season (including a 9-4 win over Augustana)
It's not for me to say if Rockford is more deserving than the other 2m  as my view is slanted towards them, but if you really believe the 3rd place team in the CCIW is beter than a team that won both their reg.season and conference tour., i would say put down the CCIW kool aid.
I hope the people selecting the NCAA teams don't dismiss Rockford as easily as you seem to.

I think someone owes someone else a pat on the back for being dead-on....

[BigPoppa]

Central Region:

Pool A's- Carthage, Luther, Webster
Pool B- Washington University, (Rockford? )
Pool C- Illinois Wesleyan, (Wartburg?, Augustana?, another region's team?)

One has to think that Luther will be #1, Wash U #2?, and Carthage and IWU #s 3 and 4 or #s 4 and 3 (don't want Ypsi to jump on me).

Webster will be a #5/6 seed and that leaves one or two spots open for Rockford(doubtful), Augie(third in CCIW season, second in CCIW tourney) and Wartburg IIAC season #1 and tourney #2)... or does one of them get in, but shipped somewhere else (possibly to the West Region)? This is a very interesting region.

Although i respect your opinion and knowlesge when it comes to CCIW teams it would be nice to acknowledge that there are some other conferences that also play pretty well.
For you to suggest Rockford is doubtful but Augie and Wartburg you list their credentials seems like you don't seem to show much respect for them or the teams from the NATHcon.
As some one who has seen all of these 3 teams play in person I believe Rockford is just as worthy or maybe even more so . I watched Wartburg in Arizona  as they split with Aurora( the team that you said would walk thru the Nathcon but actually finished 8TH).
I witnessed Rockford play throughout the season (including a 9-4 win over Augustana)
It's not for me to say if Rockford is more deserving than the other 2m  as my view is slanted towards them, but if you really believe the 3rd place team in the CCIW is beter than a team that won both their reg.season and conference tour., i would say put down the CCIW kool aid.
I hope the people selecting the NCAA teams don't dismiss Rockford as easily as you seem to.

I think someone owes someone else a pat on the back for being dead-on....

Thank you, sir...

[kritterhawk]

Augustana & Carthage's showing prove that the CCIW is worth all the hype and talk.  Which ever team wins tomorrow deserves it!   GO VIKINGS!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Augustana & Carthage's showing prove that the CCIW is worth all the hype and talk.  Which ever team wins tomorrow deserves it!   GO VIKINGS!

Yep!  #2 and #3 finishers in the regular season (and 13 conference losses between them), and one of them is going to Appleton!

I only wish that the Titans who went 20-1 in the CCIW had shown up the last two weekends (both AT HOME, for Pete's sake!).