BB: South Region General Talk -- '07, '08, '09 and '10

[Ralph Turner]

Good job, pauperboy!

Salisbury might be an 8-team bracket as well.

[coachmilburn]

The other USA-South "at-large" contenders breakdown : these numbers are NOT official by any means as I tried to figure out some stuff so far ... please anyone be more than happy to verify these numbers. 

As of today, April 21st @ 12:40pm, is very much "UNOFFICIAL" ...

Shenandoah University :
25-7 "in-region" .781%  (corrected, I missed the FC tourney game, I previously had 24 wins)

0-2 vs. MU
1-1 vs. CNU
2-0 vs. AV
2-1 vs. FC  (corrected, I missed the tourney game)
1-0 vs. GC
2-3 vs. NCW
=========
8-7 vs. USA-South overall (corrected)
8-5 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. MU (corrected)
7-6 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. CNU (corrected)

(.705%) 12-5 vs. MU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head" (corrected)

(.666%) 12-6 vs. CNU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head"

Shenandoah's "in-region" opponents OWP = 332-276-5  (.5415986%)
I did not include the games with SU and it was their opponents "overall" record.



Methodist University :
16-10 "in-region" .615%  (correction, included Albertus Magnus College 2wins by mistake)

2-0 vs. SU
1-2 vs. CNU
2-0 vs. GC
0-2 vs. NCW
0-1 vs. AV
1-1 vs. FC
=========
6-6 vs. USA-South overall
4-6 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. SU
5-4 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. CNU

(.500%) 7-7 vs. SU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head"

(.600%) 9-6 vs. CNU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head"

MU's "in-region" opponents OWP = 249-210-3  (.538961%)
I did not include the games with MU and it was their opponents "overall" record.


Christopher Newport University :
17-9 "in-region" .653%

1-1 vs. SU
2-1 vs. MU
1-2 vs. NCW
2-1 vs. AV
0-1 vs. FC
1-1 vs. GC
=========
7-7 vs. USA-South overall
6-6 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. SU
5-6 vs. USA-South excluding "head to head" vs. MU

(.555%) 10-8 vs. SU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head"

(.529%) 9-8 vs. MU common "in-region" opponents excluding "head to head"

CNU's "in-region" opponents OWP = 238-191-2  (.5522051%)
I did not include the games with CNU and it was their opponents "overall" record.


Not sure how much "tighter" you can get than that?   

By no means am I stating these numbers are 100% accurate ... I would not be surprised IF they might be an error here or there.

[coachmilburn]

NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings Top 80 ... South Region Team's in bold

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Last updated: Tue Apr 21 08:53:51 2009

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

1   129.8   25   4     36   5     9  Millsaps
  2   129.5   28   4     31   6    19  Texas-Tyler
  3   128.3   20   4     24   5    12  Heidelberg
  4   126.8   30   2     31   3    64  Pomona-Pitzer
  5   125.1   17   6     22   7     5  St. Thomas, Minnesota
  6   124.6   13   4     19   5    14  Carthage
  7   124.4   14   5     17   7     6  Marietta
  8   123.0   16   9     20  10     1  Wisconsin-Whitewater
  9   122.2   13   5     20   8    17  Illinois Wesleyan
10   121.5   21   8     21   8    21  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
11   121.5   25   2     30   3   141  Southern Maine
12   121.3   14   6     15   9    15  St. Olaf
13   119.8   21   2     21   2   167  Trinity, CT
14   119.0   23   7     31   8    50  Shenandoah
15   119.0   17   2     27   2   165  St. Scholastica
16   118.6   18   6     23  13    45  Hardin-Simmons
17   118.5   23   7     28   7    57  Wooster
18   118.4   27   3     33   5   175  Salisbury
19   118.3   17   7     25   9    32  Franklin
20   118.1   22   5     23   6   106  Ithaca

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

21   118.0   22   7     24   7    58  California Lutheran
22   117.7   26   5     29   8   131  George Fox
23   117.5   21   5     23   5   110  Eastern Connecticut State
24   117.4   15   9     19  15    16  Mary Hardin-Baylor
25   117.4   26   8     28   8    77  Pacific Lutheran
26   117.3   23   7     28   7    81  Kean
27   117.1   14   9     16  10    11  Wisconsin-La Crosse
28   116.8   16   9     21  10    25  Chapman
29   116.6   21   7     23   8    76  Birmingham-Southern
30   116.4   21   6     24   7   103  Penn State-Erie
31   116.3   13   4     21   5    97  Thomas More
32   116.2   21  10     26  11    35  Texas Lutheran
33   116.0   18   8     20   9    41  Christopher Newport
34   115.7   14  10     20  15    13  Texas-Dallas
35   115.2   25  13     25  16    37  North Carolina Wesleyan
36   114.9   10   8     13   8     7  Otterbein
37   114.7   23  11     24  12    48  Methodist
38   114.6   16  13     22  13     8  McMurry
39   114.5   14   4     20   8   135  Aurora
40   114.5   15   4     24   6   145  Wilkes

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

41   114.3   11  11     15  11     3  Wisconsin-Oshkosh
42   114.2   19   5     24   5   154  Keystone
43   114.2   16   5     26   6   121  Buena Vista
44   114.1   12   5     16   7    85  John Carroll
45   114.0   16   8     17  12    51  La Verne
46   113.8   20   4     22   4   193  Curry
47   113.8   20  10     20  11    55  Redlands
48   113.6   15   7     17   9    70  Mount Union
49   113.5   14   9     18  12    29  Denison
50   113.4   16   8     17  11    60  Loras
51   113.2   14   7     19   9    65  Mount St. Joseph
52   113.1    9   7     13   7    23  St. Norbert
53   113.0   21   4     23   7   210  Suffolk
54   112.7   12   7     15  14    44  Manchester
55   112.5   14  11     17  14    27  DePauw
56   112.1   18   6     19   9   153  Elizabethtown
57   112.1    8   7     15   8    20  Washington and Jefferson
58   112.1   25   8     27   9   164  Linfield
59   111.7   15  15     21  19    10  Trinity, TX
60   111.6   16  10     18  14    49  William Paterson

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

61   111.5   13   8     20  10    53  Thiel
62   111.4   13   8     17  14    54  Coe
63   111.4    7   4     17   8    68  Rockford
64   111.0   12   9     17  11    34  Ohio Wesleyan
65   110.9   15   7     16  13   113  Manhattanville
66   110.8   19  14     27  16    40  Rhodes
67   110.7   17  10     19  11    73  Rowan
68   110.4   15  13     16  16    28  Piedmont
69   110.2   14   8     17  11    92  DeSales
70   110.2   11   9     13  10    33  Keene State
71   110.1   10  14     17  21     4  Hendrix
72   110.1   13   7     14   9   102  Amherst
73   110.0   15   6     19   9   162  Edgewood
74   110.0   18  11     22  13    80  Mississippi College
75   109.9   20   5     25  12   221  Rochester
76   109.7   23  11     23  11   128  Lynchburg
77   109.6   13   9     15  10    59  Johns Hopkins
78   109.5   20  11     23  12   107  Virginia Wesleyan
79   109.5   18   6     19   7   198  Adrian
80   109.0   14   9     20  13    90  Oglethorpe


For remainder of the list ... http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

[coachmilburn]

South Region Rankings - April 23rd
"in-region record listed 1st"

1. 29-5 Millsaps 32-6
2. 26-5 Salisbury 33-5
3. 25-7 Shenandoah 31-8
4. 17-9 Christopher Newport 21-9-1
5. 24-9 York (Pa.) 24-9

[hokieone]

So is the Averett 2007 season, when they went 31-12 with an arguably soft schedule and didn't get a sniff for the NCAA's worrisome to the Shenandoah faithful?  Averett went 1-2 that season in the USAS tournament while SU went 3-2 this year, and it would appear to the untrained eye that this year's SU squad is better than the Averett 2007 squad...but it happened.   

  Some ODAC schools now feeling the squeeze of tournament pressure. One thing for sure, every team had a shot to get in on  their own by winning their tournament so it'll be hard to protest (too much) when judgment day comes for the non-tournament winners.

[coachmilburn]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

Review daily dose dialog :
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/04/23/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-1/#comments

Millsaps is in jeopardy of losing "automatic bid" with 1st round loss in their tourney, if they do not win conference tourney, what type of affect will that have on the "Pool C" teams?

If Millsaps makes it to the Regions, will they be going to Salisbury, MD?  I know there was discussion that they might be shipped elsewhere?

What also hurt Averett that year, once they completed the USA-South Conference tourney, there season was over with NO more games to be played.  IF they could of had a few more "in-region" game left on the docket, who knows ?

[Catfishncwc]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

going 3-6 against the top 3 teams in the USA South does not help their chances.

[d3baseballnut]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

Review daily dose dialog :
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/04/23/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-1/#comments

Millsaps is in jeopardy of losing "automatic bid" with 1st round loss in their tourney, if they do not win conference tourney, what type of affect will that have on the "Pool C" teams?

If Millsaps makes it to the Regions, will they be going to Salisbury, MD?  I know there was discussion that they might be shipped elsewhere?

What also hurt Averett that year, once they completed the USA-South Conference tourney, there season was over with NO more games to be played.  IF they could of had a few more "in-region" game left on the docket, who knows ?

That's ridiculous. There is no way the #1 ranked team in the country last week should be jeopardy of a bid just bc they went 2 and out in their conference tournament. There is no question Millsaps should be in, and the very fact that there is a discussion about this clearly reveals there are giant flaws in the selection process

[coachmilburn]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

Review daily dose dialog :
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/04/23/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-1/#comments

Millsaps is in jeopardy of losing "automatic bid" with 1st round loss in their tourney, if they do not win conference tourney, what type of affect will that have on the "Pool C" teams?

If Millsaps makes it to the Regions, will they be going to Salisbury, MD?  I know there was discussion that they might be shipped elsewhere?

What also hurt Averett that year, once they completed the USA-South Conference tourney, there season was over with NO more games to be played.  IF they could of had a few more "in-region" game left on the docket, who knows ?

That's ridiculous. There is no way the #1 ranked team in the country last week should be jeopardy of a bid just bc they went 2 and out in their conference tournament. There is no question Millsaps should be in, and the very fact that there is a discussion about this clearly reveals there are giant flaws in the selection process

Sorry, but with Millsaps going 0-2 in their conference tourney, they lost the "automatic bid".   I stated nothing about the "at large" bid.  

[coachmilburn]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

going 3-6 against the top 3 teams in the USA South does not help their chances.

That does not play into anything, it's the "in-region" record, OWP, OOWP.

SU is currently 27-7 "in-region".  SU beats Frostburg next week, again I do not see HOW they cannot NOT make it.

[Catfishncwc]

Shenandoah wins out, not sure HOW they cannot make it?

going 3-6 against the top 3 teams in the USA South does not help their chances.

That does not play into anything, it's the "in-region" record, OWP, OOWP.

SU is currently 27-7 "in-region".  SU beats Frostburg next week, again I do not see HOW they cannot NOT make it.

call me crazy but I still think conference play is important and having a 3-6 showing against the 3 teams that finished ahead of you in the conference does not scream out to me EILTE team.  But I could just be picky.  the whole 27-7 argument means you went  21-1 against teams that were not CNU, MU and NCWC and 3-6 against teams you should be better than if you are going to get a at large bid

[HighHeat]

My pick at the South Regional

#1 Millsaps
#2 Salisbury
#3 NC Wesleyan
#4 Shenandoah
#5 Washington and Lee
#6 Birmingham-Southern

[d3baseballnut]

birmingham Southern is not eligible for postseason play as they are not a full time member of Division 3 baseball yet.

My pick is similar, yet with CNU in there instead of Birmingham Southern.

I do think the USA South will get 3 bids. Ppl seem to be high on CNU, but I personally do not think you can keep Shenandoah out. Too many wins at 33-8. I dont know what else they could have done.

[Jim Dixon]

My pick at the South Regional

#1 Millsaps
#2 Salisbury
#3 NC Wesleyan
#4 Shenandoah
#5 Washington and Lee
#6 Birmingham-Southern Christopher Newport

I think that this makes a nice south region.  I would not be surprised if a Mid-Atlantic team is inserted and Millsaps move to another region. 

[A.G.]

I would definitely put CNU AHEAD of W&L in that scenario...and maybe ahead of SU.