BB: South Region General Talk -- '07, '08, '09 and '10

[d3baseballnut]

Yea Jim, I have been doing a little bracketology, and I coul really see MIllsaps getting sent to the central or mideast. To be honest, those locations are probably closer to Millsaps given that this year's South Regional tournament is not in Virginia, but on Maryland's eastern shore. The central, mideast, and midwest all really lack solid #2 seeds, apart from Wooster, which would be a good #2 seed behind heidelberg in the Mideast.

[OshDude]

Yea Jim, I have been doing a little bracketology, and I coul really see MIllsaps getting sent to the central or mideast. To be honest, those locations are probably closer to Millsaps given that this year's South Regional tournament is not in Virginia, but on Maryland's eastern shore. The central, mideast, and midwest all really lack solid #2 seeds, apart from Wooster, which would be a good #2 seed behind heidelberg in the Mideast.

Not a fan of St. Thomas or St. Scholastica, huh?

[narch]

the sad thing with all of this debate is that i look at the mid atlantic region and i see a lot of fraudulent teams - frostburg is ranked #7 in the region and while methodist was pounding them 17-2, i thought they were one of the worst teams i've seen in years...and #4 ranked penn-state behrend beat them 3-2 and 4-2...i can't imagine the frostburg team i saw staying within 5 runs of methodist, even if mu threw their #4 starter (which they did) - mu also beat montclair twice and montclair's run through the south was nothing short of a disaster (i know, i know...the south teams had been playing longer, but montclair went 2-7! on that trip and they're the 3rd ranked team in the region) - even a team like keystone, which has an impressive record and is ranked #10 in the country by this site, looks like a fraud to me - imagine what a usasac team would do if they got to play baptist bible (8-18) and philadelphia bible (0-21) three times each and then got dh's against arcadia (5-30) and marywood (8-23) - that is such a weak region that there shouldn't be a single pool c from that region in my opinion

...as an aside, shenandoah went 9-1 vs. teams in the mid-atlantic region

[HighHeat]

Yea Jim, I have been doing a little bracketology, and I coul really see MIllsaps getting sent to the central or mideast. To be honest, those locations are probably closer to Millsaps given that this year's South Regional tournament is not in Virginia, but on Maryland's eastern shore. The central, mideast, and midwest all really lack solid #2 seeds, apart from Wooster, which would be a good #2 seed behind heidelberg in the Mideast.

Ok, say Millsaps does get sent to another region. Who would then be the number one seed in the south? Do you think Salisbury is a legit No. 1 seed for that region. I completely forgot about Birmingham-Southern and their eligibility in D3. As I have looked more and more, it seems that CNU should get that final bid and as much as everyone doesn't want it Shenandoah is going to get in. It suchs because Methodist should be in there as well and they are much more deserving than any of those Mid-Atlantic bubbles.

BTW, has anyone seen what Eric Groff is going up at Keystone College? The guy is going nuts at the plate.

[vabaseball]

I think Salisbury should be the #1 seed.  I think Shenandoah will get in.  And I think Narch is absolutely right.

Not that what I think counts for much...

[d3baseballnut]

Yea Jim, I have been doing a little bracketology, and I coul really see MIllsaps getting sent to the central or mideast. To be honest, those locations are probably closer to Millsaps given that this year's South Regional tournament is not in Virginia, but on Maryland's eastern shore. The central, mideast, and midwest all really lack solid #2 seeds, apart from Wooster, which would be a good #2 seed behind heidelberg in the Mideast.

Ok, say Millsaps does get sent to another region. Who would then be the number one seed in the south? Do you think Salisbury is a legit No. 1 seed for that region. I completely forgot about Birmingham-Southern and their eligibility in D3. As I have looked more and more, it seems that CNU should get that final bid and as much as everyone doesn't want it Shenandoah is going to get in. It suchs because Methodist should be in there as well and they are much more deserving than any of those Mid-Atlantic bubbles.

BTW, has anyone seen what Eric Groff is going up at Keystone College? The guy is going nuts at the plate.

Narch and High Heat-

For starters, I do think Salisbury is worthy of a #1 seed. Right now, i have them as #1 and Millsaps as number 2 (personally, I dont think Millsaps has great pitching.)

Second, Narch, I love St. Scholastica, but I actually see them as a #1 see in the Midwest, not a #2. My point was that Millsaps would make a solid #2 seed in those regions who only have good #1 seeds...like St. scholastica

Thirdly, if Millsaps gets sent to a different region, I really think Shenandoah is a worthy #2 seed. they have had quite a year. I could see the committee putting CNU there as a #2, but personally, i just dont think CNU is good enough to be a #2.

Finally, before you all go bash on the Mid-Atlantic Region, don't forget it was a Mid-Atlantic team who came down south and won your region last year. They beat all the best teams you had to throw at them. Although some Mid-Atlantic regions are weak, is doesnt mean that the teams winning the conferences are weak.
I do agree that Montclair got smashed in their trip down south, which is why i Do not think they deserve an at large. The committe gives free C bids to the NJAC because "its a great conference". From the looks of their performance out of conference, they have not faired well.

[Catfishncwc]

that was last year d3baseballnut, the 3rd ranked Mid Atlantic team came down South and got waxed.  Top to Bottom I would put the South against any region this year. 

[narch]

Finally, before you all go bash on the Mid-Atlantic Region, don't forget it was a Mid-Atlantic team who came down south and won your region last year. They beat all the best teams you had to throw at them. Although some Mid-Atlantic regions are weak, is doesnt mean that the teams winning the conferences are weak.

I do agree that Montclair got smashed in their trip down south, which is why i Do not think they deserve an at large. The committe gives free C bids to the NJAC because "its a great conference". From the looks of their performance out of conference, they have not faired well.

i've got no problem with pool A teams from the mid-atlantic this year...it's the potential C's - typically, the mid-atlantic is a good region, but i don't think this is a typical year

...but...hopkins went through the regional last year after taking an opening game loss to a usasac school (cnu) and beating rmc (who methodist beat), piedmont (who methodist swept), lynchburg and salisbury - i'm just saying...hopkins lost 3 times in the post-season last year, and one of those losses was to a usasac team  (and 2 were to the eventual national champion)

[Ralph Turner]

Please remember that Rochester sat on the table thru all 14 rounds.  The committee doesn't have to select a team from a region.

Let's look at the Regional Rankings on Thursday.

After you take the Pool A's and B's off the list, you are down to three or four strong conferences, 4-5 strong teams that were upset in their conference tourneys and then the last 4-5 bids are the ones that everyone is fighting over.

[HighHeat]

so if millsaps does travel and SU gets the No. 1 seed, that would probably push Shenandoah to No. 2 and NCWC to No. 3. Wash. and Lee picks up one of the last two spots with the automatic from the ODAC.

Does this mean if the committee decides to bring in a champion from the one of the Mid-Atlantic conference that CNU or Methodist will not get in? What are the chances of the South Region getting 7 teams this year? I think it will be 6, but if they bring in an automatic bid from another conference, will the South Region get to go with one more team?

[Falcon2720]

The south more than likely will be a 6 team regional.

[Ralph Turner]

so if millsaps does travel and SU gets the No. 1 seed, that would probably push Shenandoah to No. 2 and NCWC to No. 3. Wash. and Lee picks up one of the last two spots with the automatic from the ODAC.

Does this mean if the committee decides to bring in a champion from the one of the Mid-Atlantic conference that CNU or Methodist will not get in? What are the chances of the South Region getting 7 teams this year? I think it will be 6, but if they bring in an automatic bid from another conference, will the South Region get to go with one more team?

Wherever they can bus the team.

Please read this Daily Dose and the associated comments as to how D3baseball.com anticipated the 2008 Selections.

http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/11/d3baseballcom-looks-at-the-bids/


and the follow-up response after the selection committee released the bids.


http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/12/2008-ncaa-d-iii-baseball-championship-release/#comments

It should answer many questions.

Thanks

[d3baseballnut]

that was last year d3baseballnut, the 3rd ranked Mid Atlantic team came down South and got waxed.  Top to Bottom I would put the South against any region this year. 

Wow...ok...south vs. New England...NE has to win with Trinity, ECSU, Southern Maine, Wheaton, Curry.....good region.

Plus, i really think the Mid-Atlantic is pretty good. Keystone is legit...Im saying it right now...i know their name isnt as intimidating as "Rowan" or "Montclair", but they have had some really good wins this year.

RPI, Olivet, Suffolk, Cortland (x2), William Paterson (if the NJAC is sooooo good), and even Susquehanna is a good non-conference win this year

[hokieone]

New Regional rankings are up:
1. Salisbury
2. Milsaps
3. Shenandoah
4. Christopher Newport
5. North Carolina Wesleyan

   

[Ralph Turner]

New Regional rankings are up:
1. Milsaps
2. Salisbury
3. Shenandoah
4. Christopher Newport
5. North Carolina Wesleyan
 

South Region
1. Salisbury 35-6 28-6
2. Millsaps 32-8 29-7
3. Shenandoah 33-8 27-7
4. Christopher Newport 24-10-1 20-10
5. North Carolina Wesleyan 27-19 25-15

I am moving my discussion to the blogs

http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/04/30/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2/#comments