The Top 10 Eastern Region teams of the D3football.com Era

[pg04]

Would any of the 2008 teams in the east make it to this list?  Once again, like 2007, I don't think so.

Thoughts?

[theoriginalupstate]

The only one that has a chance from 2008 would be Cortland.  11-2 and had a decent showing at MUC. 

[pumkinattack]

I wouldn't include any of them. 

Can't really make the case for Cortland with the Ithaca game, two NEFC opponents in the playoffs and their conference didn't get a second team into the field. 

Seems like you need two of three between tough and undefeated non-conference, strong conference (two teams in is the barometer here, I think) and/or winning one or two difficult playoff games to be a "great" or top ten team. 

[AUPepBand]

Given the title of this thread, Pep was curious as to what D3 Eastern Region football programs had accumulated the most wins since 1999. Thanks to d3football.com, that information was easy to find, particularly for a library assistant!

Top 20 Eastern Regional Teams By Wins Since 1999:
1) Curry (91)
2) Rowan (89)
3) Ithaca (83)
4) Widener (77)
    Hobart (77)
6) RPI (75)
7) Montclair (72)
8  Union (71)
9) Bridgewater State (69)
    Brockport State (69)
11) Cortland State (68)
12) St. John Fisher (67)
      Springfield (67)
14) Trinity (65)
15) Delaware Valley (64)
      Western Connecticut (64)
      Wilkes (64)
18) Alfred (63)
19) Lycoming (62)
      Massachusetts-Dartmouth (62)

Pep knows that this will certainly be cause for discussion as "strength of schedule" may have something to do with win production. Nevertheless, these are the "facts" pertaining to the matter.

[pumkinattack]

That's pretty interesting. 

If anyone has the motivation, what's the overall winning percentages and winning percentages against others in the top 20?  That would really tell us where these teams stood. 

[Jonny Utah]

That's pretty interesting. 

If anyone has the motivation, what's the overall winning percentages and winning percentages against others in the top 20?  That would really tell us where these teams stood. 

Well it just took me 10 minutes to figure out Ithacas record against these teams..

-Ithaca has played these teams in 68 games since 1999.

-Ithaca has played the rest of their games (not in this list of top 20 eastern winning teams) 43 times.

-They are 44-24 with a .647 winning percentage against teams in the top 20 for wins.

-Ithaca is 39-4 against the rest of those teams.

Heres the break down

Versus the top 20

SJF-      6-4
SC-       8-2
Bport-   6-4
Hobart  3-2
cortlnd  5-5
union    0-2
alfred   8-1
wilkes   1-0
montclr  2-0
rpi         1-1
rowan   0-1
lycoming 3-1
umass    1-0
curry      0-1

Versus those not in the top 20

Mansfield    3-0
New jersy   1-0
st lawrnce   5-0
AIC              0-1
Buff St         7-1
Utica           8-0
Hartwick      6-1
Norwich       5-0
Huntington  1-0
Kings           2-0
Mt union      0-1
Frostburt    1-0

[slick]

Given the title of this thread, Pep was curious as to what D3 Eastern Region football programs had accumulated the most wins since 1999. Thanks to d3football.com, that information was easy to find, particularly for a library assistant!

Top 20 Eastern Regional Teams By Wins Since 1999:
1) Curry (91)
2) Rowan (89)
3) Ithaca (83)
4) Widener (77)
    Hobart (77)
6) RPI (75)
7) Montclair (72)
8  Union (71)
9) Bridgewater State (69)
    Brockport State (69)
11) Cortland State (68)
12) St. John Fisher (67)
      Springfield (67)
14) Trinity (65)
15) Delaware Valley (64)
      Western Connecticut (64)
      Wilkes (64)
18) Alfred (63)
19) Lycoming (62)
      Massachusetts-Dartmouth (62)

Pep knows that this will certainly be cause for discussion as "strength of schedule" may have something to do with win production. Nevertheless, these are the "facts" pertaining to the matter.


Trinity is only allowed 8 games a season (NESCAC rules) so 63-17 since '99, .787 winning pct.
Like to see a winning pct list for the last 5 years, ... is that info handy?

[AUPepBand]

(Notso) Slick:  If you wanna do the work, that info is certainly available....I look forward to seeing the results of your labors.

Pep added the (Notso) because Slick unwittingly added his comments WITHIN his quote of my post, thereby making it appear that Pep was speaking. 

[Ralph Turner]

(Notso) Slick:  If you wanna do the work, that info is certainly available....I look forward to seeing the results of your labors.

Pep added the (Notso) because Slick unwittingly added his comments WITHIN his quote of my post, thereby making it appear that Pep was speaking. 

Yeah, it appears that he is a newbie (with just 16 posts) and is just learning all of the buttons.

I don't know whether he has the modify button on his toolbar, yet.

[theoriginalupstate]

Given the title of this thread, Pep was curious as to what D3 Eastern Region football programs had accumulated the most wins since 1999. Thanks to d3football.com, that information was easy to find, particularly for a library assistant!

Top 20 Eastern Regional Teams By Wins Since 1999:
1) Curry (91)
2) Rowan (89)
3) Ithaca (83)
4) Widener (77)
    Hobart (77)
6) RPI (75)
7) Montclair (72)
8  Union (71)
9) Bridgewater State (69)
    Brockport State (69)
11) Cortland State (68)
12) St. John Fisher (67)
      Springfield (67)
14) Trinity (65)
15) Delaware Valley (64)
      Western Connecticut (64)
      Wilkes (64)
18) Alfred (63)
19) Lycoming (62)
      Massachusetts-Dartmouth (62)

Pep knows that this will certainly be cause for discussion as "strength of schedule" may have something to do with win production. Nevertheless, these are the "facts" pertaining to the matter.

Trinity is only allowed 8 games a season (NESCAC rules) so 63-17 since '99, .787 winning pct.
Like to see a winning pct list for the last 5 years, ... is that info handy?

Figure them out for yourselves..

SJF has a .78 winning percentage over the past 5 years (48-13)...

[pumkinattack]

Pep,

  I'm sure you just went through all east teams and I know this discussion is had ad nauseum, but I mentally threw out Trinity already since they don't compete with the rest of the region. 

  Notice that the slickster ignores the W/L vs other top 20 teams but wants to talk winning percentage. 

  I may go through Hobart's in the next few days, but my thought on W/L vs. other top 20 and winning percentage was that it would provide better color on relative strength.  I'm thinking Rowan comes out on top of that one and the NEFC teams quickly drop down the list. 

JU, good work on IC.  How do you feel about the losing record, 4-5, against the LL top 3?

[labart96]

Pep,

  I'm sure you just went through all east teams and I know this discussion is had ad nauseum, but I mentally threw out Trinity already since they don't compete with the rest of the region. 

  Notice that the slickster ignores the W/L vs other top 20 teams but wants to talk winning percentage. 

  I may go through Hobart's in the next few days, but my thought on W/L vs. other top 20 and winning percentage was that it would provide better color on relative strength.  I'm thinking Rowan comes out on top of that one and the NEFC teams quickly drop down the list. 

JU, good work on IC.  How do you feel about the losing record, 4-5, against the LL top 3?

TGP calc's Bart's WP as approx 75% since 99.  Approx 80% since '04

[pumkinattack]

Hobart since 99:

   1999   2000   2001   2002   2003   2004   2005   2006   2007   2008   W/L   %
1) Curry (91)   -   -   -   -   -   W   -   -   -   -   1-0   100.0%
2) Rowan (89)   -   -   -   -   -   L   -   L   -   -   0-2   0.0%
3) Ithaca (83)   L   W   L   W   L   -   -   -   -   -   2-3   40.0%
4) Widener (77)   -   L   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   0-1   0.0%
6) RPI (75)   L   W   L   W   W   W   W   W   L   W   7-3   70.0%
8  Union (71)   L   W   L   W   W   W   L   L   W   L   5-5   50.0%
9) Bridgewater State (69)   -   W   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1-0   100.0%
11) Cortland State (68)   -   -   -   -   -   -   W   -   -   -   1-0   100.0%
12) St. John Fisher (67)   W   W   W   L   L   -   -   -   L   -   3-3   50.0%
14) Trinity (65)   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA
15) Delaware Valley (64)   -   -   -   -   -   -   L   -   -   -   0-1   0.0%
18) Alfred (63)   W   W   W   W   W   -   -   W   W   -   7-0   100.0%
19) Lycoming (62)   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   W   1-0   100.0%
                                 28-18   60.9%
                                    
Dickinson   L   W   W   W   L   W   W   W   L   W   7-3   70.0%
Franklin & Marshall   W   W   W   W   W   L   W   -   -   -   6-1   85.7%
SLU   W   W   W   W   W   W   W   W   W   W   10-0   100.0%
U of R   W   L   W   W   L   W   W   W   W   W   8-2   80.0%
WPI   -   -   -   -   -   W   W   W   W   W   5-0   100.0%
Susquehanna   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   W   W   2-0   100.0%
Coast Guard   -   -   -   -   -   W   W   -   -   -   2-0   100.0%
Mt. Union    -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   L   0-1   0.0%
John Carroll   -   -   -   L   -   -   -   -   -   -   0-1   0.0%
MMA   -   -   -   -   -   W   W   W   W   W   5-0   100.0%
Norwich   -   -   -   -   W   -   -   -   -   -   1-0   100.0%
William Paterson   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   W   -   -   1-0   100.0%
Carneige Mellon   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   W   W   2-0   100.0%
                                 49-8   86.0%
                                 77-26   74.8%

I can't get the formatting to drop in the way it looks on my spreadsheet, but here's the upshot.  75% overall (just under) as TGP stated.  28-18 (60.9%) against this top 20 list and 49-8 (86%) against others including a 13-6 vs E8 (incl. 03 Norwich game), 43-10 vs. LL 1-2 vs MAC (all postseason) and 2-1 vs NJAC (one non playoff win vs Willy P).  The E8 is skewed a little by a 7-0 record vs. AU.  Also of note is a 7-3 record vs a solid Dickinson program that probably has won 70 or percent of its own games and has made multiple appearances in the playoffs in the CC.

Not quite as good as IC, but close and I think we've earned some street cred over the last decade. 

[AUPepBand]

Pep,

  I'm sure you just went through all east teams and I know this discussion is had ad nauseum, but I mentally threw out Trinity already since they don't compete with the rest of the region. 

  Notice that the slickster ignores the W/L vs other top 20 teams but wants to talk winning percentage. 

  I may go through Hobart's in the next few days, but my thought on W/L vs. other top 20 and winning percentage was that it would provide better color on relative strength.  I'm thinking Rowan comes out on top of that one and the NEFC teams quickly drop down the list. 

JU, good work on IC.  How do you feel about the losing record, 4-5, against the LL top 3?

You're right, Pumpkin....Pep went through the entire East Region as they appear on this website...65 teams if Pep remembers correctly. Indeed, that includes the exclusive group that has resulted in domination for Trinity and humiliation for Hamilton, although the Continentals will continue to improve their record under Stetson.

Pep only wishes Hobart had chosen to host his Saxons Oct. 17, 2009 to provide a solid tenth game for both programs. But Pep understands that with its sights on the NCAA Playoffs, a Hobart team that is 8-1 with one loss in the LL has a much better chance at a Pool C than an 8-2 Hobart team. Hobart has nothing to gain by beating Alfred but a loss would be devastating. That's the one thing Pep regrets with the NCAA Playoffs...it plays too much into scheduling when in the pre-tourney days, everyone was happy to meet for a backyard brawl for gridiron bragging rights.

[Jonny Utah]

JU, good work on IC.  How do you feel about the losing record, 4-5, against the LL top 3?

Well of those 9 games, 4 were playoff games (3 NCAA and an ECAC game), and most were against the LL's best team.  So I don't feel too bad, as they would probably have a better record against those teams if they played them every year.

And if IC is putting St. Lawrence and Union on the regular season slate, I can only imagine that Hobart will go back on in the near future as well.

Hobart/Ithaca seems like just a natrual upstate rivalry game that should be played every year.  1-2 hour day trip games between two teams like IC and Hobart are too hard to pass up..........but this makes me think again about these automatic bids and why I don't like them.  Pool A bids make some teams think about playing the best teams around.  I know they are good for d3 sports in general, but I still don't like them.