East Region Fan Poll

[Yanks 99]

Hawks, trotting out the "it was 41-35 in the 3rd qtr" argument is the definiton of misleading. Yes, that was the score after Hartwick scored on their first possession of the 2nd half, but anybody at that game knew Hartwick's D was not coming close to stopping Ithaca's attack while IC's defense was making some plays. I was certainly never worried.

To borrow an analogy from tennis, Hartwick was still down a break at that point. Problem is, Ithaca's offense, with help from a porous Hartwick defense, looked like Rafael Nadal on clay that game. In other words, Hartwick's defense wasn't going to break Ithaca's offense and you knew Hartwick's offense would have some empty possessions since they were turning it over so much. I think the final result was sufficiently representative of the ebbs and flows of that game.

Re: Why is Ithaca so far ahead of Fisher since Fisher beat Ithaca?

1) Because Fisher has lost two games, on their home field no less, since the Ithaca game. Ithaca has lost no games since that day.

2) Fisher is 5-3, Ithaca is 6-1.

3) Ithaca's loss came on the road, Fisher has lost two games at home.

Look, I respect the hell out of Fisher for scheduling MUC and Salisbury. But they lost those games. If they won them, it would have been reflected in the poll. You just can't ignore losses because they were against tough teams. And arguing "well, we proved we were better than them on the field" is pointless, too, since that would get us all three sets of fans saying "well, we beat _____, and they beat you."

And equally flawed is the argument that "if Ithaca played ____, they would've lost that game." Yeah, and if Penn State scheduled Oklahoma, Texas and USC, they'd have three losses right now. But they didn't, so they don't. Bad argument.

Who is "trotting out the "it was 41-35 in the 3rd qtr" argument"?  'Wick fans know the final score...all we were saying is we were within a score in the 3rd quarter...so the game wasn't over at that point in the 3rd quarter.  It was a few minutes later when you ripped off a few more scores and put it away.  You won....by a lot...and are sitting in a good spot right now.  The rest of your arguement is pretty spot on...with the exception of the "we beat you, they beat you arguement."  My main arguement has been between 'Wick and SJF looking at a Pool C...as it doesn't take a genius to look ahead and realize that IC has the inside track for the SOS war...

[gobombers15]

Yanks, the 41-35 argument was made by HHawksE8Champs just last page (or thereabouts). I've heard it a couple of times before, too, usually to support an argument suggesting the Ithaca/Wick came was closer than the result suggested. Secondly, the "my team beat ______, who you guys lost to" was in response to several posters of a certain E8 school have continously made the argument that Ithaca shouldn't be that far ahead of Fisher because Fisher dominated Ithaca. My point is that, taken to its logical end, the result of such argument would be fans from all three teams arguing themselves in circles with no "fair" result manifesting itself in the polls. I was not referring to the Pool C/Fisher or Hartwick argument in any way.

[theoriginalupstate]

wow, there are certainly more than 10 schools worthy of top ten votes....

E8: IC, HC, SJF, AU
NJAC: C-State, Rowan, Montclair
MAC: Lyco, Albright, DVC, Leb Valley
LL: RPI, WPI, Bart

there are some good teams that are going to be left off...

Dont forget these under the radar teams as well...

NEFC: Curry, Plymouth St
NJAC: Port, Kean
LL: Union

It may be a cluster-F*** in the east this year but there are still some good teams out there...

[union89]

I haven't voted for Husson, but when do they enter on our radar.....if ever??

[Jonny Utah]

I haven't voted for Husson, but when do the enter on our radar.....if ever??

Good question.  They look like a solid team.  Didn't really destroy Utica or Mt. Ida like maybe they should have but they took care of Springfield with ease (by looking at the scores).

[fishfan]

East Regionals this year will AGAIN include MT. UNION, minus the AQ's who gets in?

[Pat Coleman]

No guarantee Mount Union will be brought in.

[labart96]

No guarantee Mount Union will be brought in.

that's exactly right.  my best guess is that either cortland or muhlenberg will be the #1 in the east.

[theoriginalupstate]

No guarantee Mount Union will be brought in.

that's exactly right.  my best guess is that either cortland or muhlenberg will be the #1 in the east.

Same here and with the way that the east is knocking each other out i'd also look for another team being brought in to fill out the bracket...

[redswarm81]

Week 8 Poll is in!

WPI got a second vote for no. 25.

Or WPI got a vote for no. 24.

[DanPadavona]

No guarantee Mount Union will be brought in.

that's exactly right.  my best guess is that either cortland or muhlenberg will be the #1 in the east.

I don't think the NCAA accomplishes anything by importing Muhlenberg, which has never made a big statement in the playoffs.  I clearly remember what happened to them against Fisher.  Maybe you bring in Wesley or Salisbury, but both have fallen to a 4-3 Eastern Region team. 

If you want a super power to toughen up the Eastern bracket, then you need to bring in a Mt Union or (quite possibly) Washington & Jefferson.  I cannot think of anyone else within our travel range which meets the criteria.

[DanPadavona]

Husson is on my radar too.  I did not rank them this week but am impressed by the big win over Springfield.  The rest of the resume is pretty weak however...close call wins over Norwich, Mt Ida, and Utica.  With only a horrible Becker team left to play, it looks like they will run the table against D3 competition.  That may get them into the playoffs where they will have an opportunity to earn some respect.

Let's be honest about Springfield 2008 though.  I know they gave Fisher a game, but they are 2-5 with a loss to Utica. 

[AUPepBand]

Husson is on my radar too.  I did not rank them this week but am impressed by the big win over Springfield.  The rest of the resume is pretty weak however...close call wins over Norwich, Mt Ida, and Utica.  With only a horrible Becker team left to play, it looks like they will run the table against D3 competition.  That may get them into the playoffs where they will have an opportunity to earn some respect.

Let's be honest about Springfield 2008 though.  I know they gave Fisher a game, but they are 2-5 with a loss to Utica. 

Pep perhaps has more respect for Husson than others, having seen them play at Merrill Field last year. However, running the table against (mediocre at best) D3 competition probably won't get them into the playoffs.

[pg04]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 8 (10/27/08)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State ( 9 )	7-0	99	1	at New Jersey
2	RPI ( 1 )	6-0	89	2	vs. Union
3	Ithaca	6-1	78	3	vs, Springfield
4	Hartwick	5-1	59	4	vs. Norwich
5	Rowan	6-1	49	8	vs. Kean
6	Montclair State	6-1	48	6	at Western Connecticut
7	St. John Fisher	5-3	42	7	at Utica
8	Hobart	5-1	32	9	vs. #9 WPI
9	WPI	6-1	19	T10	at #8 Hobart
10	Lycoming	5-2	12	NR	at FDU-Florham

Others Receiving votes:      

Alfred 8,
Albright 5,
Kean 4,
Delaware Valley 3,
Lebanon Valley 2,
Trinity 1

Dropping out: Delaware Valley #5, Alfred #10


Voting Breakdown:

Cortland State (1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
RPI (2, 4, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
Ithaca (3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
Hartwick (4, 6, 4, 3, 5, 5, -, 5, 5, 3)
Rowan (7, 5, 8, 7, -, 4, 6, 4, 4, 5)
Montclair State (6, 2, 5, 5, 10, 7, 4, 10, 6, 7)
St. John Fisher (5, 8, 6, -, 4, 6, 7, 6, 7, 8 )
Hobart (8, 7, 7, 6, 6, -, 5, -, -, 6)
WPI (9, 9, 9, 8, 7, -, 9, -, 9, 9)
Lycoming (-, -, -, 9, -, 8, -, 8, 8, 10)
Alfred (10, 10, 10, -, 8, 9, -, -, -, -)
Albright (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 7, 10, -)
Kean (-, -, -, -, -, 10, 8, -, -, -)
Delaware Valley (-, -, -, -, -, -, 10, 9, -, -)
Lebanon Valley (-, -, -, -, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
Trinity (-, -, -, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[union89]

Man, I lost my fellow RPI #1 voter...