East Region Fan Poll

[union89]

I give Fisher credit for their big win vs. Ithaca.

How do SJF's performances vs. MUC, Salisbury, Hartwick and Springfield warrant my vote??  I don't see it...

lets see they've given MUC their best game to date... they went 4 overtimes with the #15 team in the country, they played within 3 of the defending conference champions and they came from behind a springfield team that at times can be dangerous...

The MUC argument is rediculous....Fisher lost by 30 and was outgained 2 to 1.  I don't slam them for that loss, but on the other hand I don't give them any credit for getting smoked like any other Eastern team would have.  Losing to Salisbury when Salisbury had a bunch of suspensions does not hold up well either.  As for Springfield, my Union team beat them handily this year....does that mean that Union should be ranked above Fisher also?

Fisher had 2 great years and I think they will return to similar status.  I am not voting for them this year due to their reputation over the last 2.  SJF is simply not that good this year IMO.

silly rabbit...I told you already that you are confused....check SJF's record since 2003, including how many consecutive trips to the play-offs.

Also go back and reread Supes post a few back re: actual game results for this year, and as much as everyone wants to continue to pay lip service to SJF having played MUC, they (especially you) also immediately use their modest 30 pt loss against them...even though you say you are not.

My bad, I thought you were siding with Supes about my omission of SJF from above.....if that was not your intent, I was wrong.

[SJFF82]

I give Fisher credit for their big win vs. Ithaca.

How do SJF's performances vs. MUC, Salisbury, Hartwick and Springfield warrant my vote??  I don't see it...

lets see they've given MUC their best game to date... they went 4 overtimes with the #15 team in the country, they played within 3 of the defending conference champions and they came from behind a springfield team that at times can be dangerous...

The MUC argument is rediculous....Fisher lost by 30 and was outgained 2 to 1.  I don't slam them for that loss, but on the other hand I don't give them any credit for getting smoked like any other Eastern team would have.  Losing to Salisbury when Salisbury had a bunch of suspensions does not hold up well either.  As for Springfield, my Union team beat them handily this year....does that mean that Union should be ranked above Fisher also?

Fisher had 2 great years and I think they will return to similar status.  I am not voting for them this year due to their reputation over the last 2.  SJF is simply not that good this year IMO.

silly rabbit...I told you already that you are confused....check SJF's record since 2003, including how many consecutive trips to the play-offs.

Also go back and reread Supes post a few back re: actual game results for this year, and as much as everyone wants to continue to pay lip service to SJF having played MUC, they (especially you) also immediately use their modest 30 pt loss against them...even though you say you are not.

My bad, I thought you were siding with Supes about my omission of SJF from above.....if that was not your intent, I was wrong.

I do agree with Supes, and question how you dont have SJF ranked.  I however do not have a problem with the 7 ranking that the overall voters came up with.  I suspect not many people in the nation (d3 nation that is) could agree with your assessment that "SJF is just not that good this year"  They certainly are not SJF '06 or '07, yet play the same schedule as 06-07, and they probably have the same to date record of 7-1 interestingly enough.

[union89]

I give Fisher credit for their big win vs. Ithaca.

How do SJF's performances vs. MUC, Salisbury, Hartwick and Springfield warrant my vote??  I don't see it...

lets see they've given MUC their best game to date... they went 4 overtimes with the #15 team in the country, they played within 3 of the defending conference champions and they came from behind a springfield team that at times can be dangerous...

The MUC argument is rediculous....Fisher lost by 30 and was outgained 2 to 1.  I don't slam them for that loss, but on the other hand I don't give them any credit for getting smoked like any other Eastern team would have.  Losing to Salisbury when Salisbury had a bunch of suspensions does not hold up well either.  As for Springfield, my Union team beat them handily this year....does that mean that Union should be ranked above Fisher also?

Fisher had 2 great years and I think they will return to similar status.  I am not voting for them this year due to their reputation over the last 2.  SJF is simply not that good this year IMO.

silly rabbit...I told you already that you are confused....check SJF's record since 2003, including how many consecutive trips to the play-offs.

Also go back and reread Supes post a few back re: actual game results for this year, and as much as everyone wants to continue to pay lip service to SJF having played MUC, they (especially you) also immediately use their modest 30 pt loss against them...even though you say you are not.

My bad, I thought you were siding with Supes about my omission of SJF from above.....if that was not your intent, I was wrong.

I do agree with Supes, and question how you dont have SJF ranked.  I however do not have a problem with the 7 ranking that the overall voters came up with.  I suspect not many people in the nation (d3 nation that is) could agree with your assessment that "SJF is just not that good this year"  They certainly are not SJF '06 or '07, yet play the same schedule as 06-07, and they probably have the same to date record of 7-1 interestingly enough.

I give up....you are all over the place.

[superman57]

Ok... Fisher scored 52 points to a salisbury team who  lost players on their DEFENSE!!!!!! they did not lose any players on their offense... I am not saying that Fisher should in the top 5... infact I believe in our poll I insisted that wick get ranked above Fisher... I had fisher at 6... and I can see having them ranked from 5-9 depending on how you see things...

[boobyhasgameyo]

I have Fisher at #5, which is probably too high, but with the way the teams have been losing and the way my poll changes from week to week, they maneuvered their way back up to that spot. 

Even if you throw out the MUC loss...outside of the Ithaca win, what performances have impressed you from a 5-2 Fisher this year?

Well if we want to use this argument than I could say the same thing about RPI... At least St. John Fisher has that Ithaca win. 

Good point, but what about the Salisbury and Hartwick losses.  The Salisbury loss was to an extremely depleted squad and the Hartwick game in '07 was looked at as a fluke and STF had that game circled in '08.  Even in win's vs. Rochester and Springfield, Fisher struggled mightily. 

I love how you are making the Salisbury team sound worse and worse everytime.  They had 5 players that were kicked off, only 2 defensive starters I believe and another that played a decent amount.  However what goes under the radar is how they got their all american best defender back for that game and how Fisher held out 2 of their defensive starters for that game via coaches decision.  I would say things were about equal as far as the defenses were concerned. 

First half against U of R was a struggle, but they maintained control in the 2nd half.  Buff State was never in question, their offense did nothing against Fisher but they did score on a garbage time TD on their last possession.  Springfield was also a struggle no doubt, should have won that one by more. 

[Bombers798891]

I have Fisher at #5, which is probably too high, but with the way the teams have been losing and the way my poll changes from week to week, they maneuvered their way back up to that spot. 

Even if you throw out the MUC loss...outside of the Ithaca win, what performances have impressed you from a 5-2 Fisher this year?

Well if we want to use this argument than I could say the same thing about RPI... At least St. John Fisher has that Ithaca win. 

Good point, but what about the Salisbury and Hartwick losses.  The Salisbury loss was to an extremely depleted squad and the Hartwick game in '07 was looked at as a fluke and STF had that game circled in '08.  Even in win's vs. Rochester and Springfield, Fisher struggled mightily. 

I love how you are making the Salisbury team sound worse and worse everytime.  They had 5 players that were kicked off, only 2 defensive starters I believe and another that played a decent amount.  However what goes under the radar is how they got their all american best defender back for that game and how Fisher held out 2 of their defensive starters for that game via coaches decision.  I would say things were about equal as far as the defenses were concerned. 

First half against U of R was a struggle, but they maintained control in the 2nd half.  Buff State was never in question, their offense did nothing against Fisher but they did score on a garbage time TD on their last possession.  Springfield was also a struggle no doubt, should have won that one by more. 

We should just rank Fisher #1 and be done with it...

[union89]

I have Fisher at #5, which is probably too high, but with the way the teams have been losing and the way my poll changes from week to week, they maneuvered their way back up to that spot. 

Even if you throw out the MUC loss...outside of the Ithaca win, what performances have impressed you from a 5-2 Fisher this year?

Well if we want to use this argument than I could say the same thing about RPI... At least St. John Fisher has that Ithaca win. 

Good point, but what about the Salisbury and Hartwick losses.  The Salisbury loss was to an extremely depleted squad and the Hartwick game in '07 was looked at as a fluke and STF had that game circled in '08.  Even in win's vs. Rochester and Springfield, Fisher struggled mightily. 

I love how you are making the Salisbury team sound worse and worse everytime.  They had 5 players that were kicked off, only 2 defensive starters I believe and another that played a decent amount.  However what goes under the radar is how they got their all american best defender back for that game and how Fisher held out 2 of their defensive starters for that game via coaches decision.  I would say things were about equal as far as the defenses were concerned. 

First half against U of R was a struggle, but they maintained control in the 2nd half.  Buff State was never in question, their offense did nothing against Fisher but they did score on a garbage time TD on their last possession.  Springfield was also a struggle no doubt, should have won that one by more. 

I know none of you Fisher guys will believe this, but I wish Fisher was 8-0 right now and ranked #1 in the country....that would only help the East Region as a whole.  

[SJFF82]

I give Fisher credit for their big win vs. Ithaca.

How do SJF's performances vs. MUC, Salisbury, Hartwick and Springfield warrant my vote??  I don't see it...

lets see they've given MUC their best game to date... they went 4 overtimes with the #15 team in the country, they played within 3 of the defending conference champions and they came from behind a springfield team that at times can be dangerous...

The MUC argument is rediculous....Fisher lost by 30 and was outgained 2 to 1.  I don't slam them for that loss, but on the other hand I don't give them any credit for getting smoked like any other Eastern team would have.  Losing to Salisbury when Salisbury had a bunch of suspensions does not hold up well either.  As for Springfield, my Union team beat them handily this year....does that mean that Union should be ranked above Fisher also?

Fisher had 2 great years and I think they will return to similar status.  I am not voting for them this year due to their reputation over the last 2.  SJF is simply not that good this year IMO.

silly rabbit...I told you already that you are confused....check SJF's record since 2003, including how many consecutive trips to the play-offs.

Also go back and reread Supes post a few back re: actual game results for this year, and as much as everyone wants to continue to pay lip service to SJF having played MUC, they (especially you) also immediately use their modest 30 pt loss against them...even though you say you are not.

My bad, I thought you were siding with Supes about my omission of SJF from above.....if that was not your intent, I was wrong.

I do agree with Supes, and question how you dont have SJF ranked.  I however do not have a problem with the 7 ranking that the overall voters came up with.  I suspect not many people in the nation (d3 nation that is) could agree with your assessment that "SJF is just not that good this year"  They certainly are not SJF '06 or '07, yet play the same schedule as 06-07, and they probably have the same to date record of 7-1 interestingly enough.

I give up....you are all over the place.

I accept your concession

[SJFF82]

I have Fisher at #5, which is probably too high, but with the way the teams have been losing and the way my poll changes from week to week, they maneuvered their way back up to that spot. 

Even if you throw out the MUC loss...outside of the Ithaca win, what performances have impressed you from a 5-2 Fisher this year?

Well if we want to use this argument than I could say the same thing about RPI... At least St. John Fisher has that Ithaca win. 

Good point, but what about the Salisbury and Hartwick losses.  The Salisbury loss was to an extremely depleted squad and the Hartwick game in '07 was looked at as a fluke and STF had that game circled in '08.  Even in win's vs. Rochester and Springfield, Fisher struggled mightily. 

I love how you are making the Salisbury team sound worse and worse everytime.  They had 5 players that were kicked off, only 2 defensive starters I believe and another that played a decent amount.  However what goes under the radar is how they got their all american best defender back for that game and how Fisher held out 2 of their defensive starters for that game via coaches decision.  I would say things were about equal as far as the defenses were concerned. 

First half against U of R was a struggle, but they maintained control in the 2nd half.  Buff State was never in question, their offense did nothing against Fisher but they did score on a garbage time TD on their last possession.  Springfield was also a struggle no doubt, should have won that one by more. 

We should just rank Fisher #1 and be done with it...

Why...who advocated for that?

[AUPepBand]

We should just rank Fisher #1 and be done with it...

Amen!

[dlippiel]

I have Fisher at #5, which is probably too high, but with the way the teams have been losing and the way my poll changes from week to week, they maneuvered their way back up to that spot. 

Even if you throw out the MUC loss...outside of the Ithaca win, what performances have impressed you from a 5-2 Fisher this year?

Well if we want to use this argument than I could say the same thing about RPI... At least St. John Fisher has that Ithaca win. 

Good point, but what about the Salisbury and Hartwick losses.  The Salisbury loss was to an extremely depleted squad and the Hartwick game in '07 was looked at as a fluke and STF had that game circled in '08.  Even in win's vs. Rochester and Springfield, Fisher struggled mightily. 

I love how you are making the Salisbury team sound worse and worse everytime.  They had 5 players that were kicked off, only 2 defensive starters I believe and another that played a decent amount.  However what goes under the radar is how they got their all american best defender back for that game and how Fisher held out 2 of their defensive starters for that game via coaches decision.  I would say things were about equal as far as the defenses were concerned. 

First half against U of R was a struggle, but they maintained control in the 2nd half.  Buff State was never in question, their offense did nothing against Fisher but they did score on a garbage time TD on their last possession.  Springfield was also a struggle no doubt, should have won that one by more. 

We should just rank Fisher #1 and be done with it...

Tru Dat!

[superman57]

I think you are not understanding where I am coming from... Fisher has the best win of the season in the E8 by routing Ithaca..., and their two loses not to the #1 team in the nation were by 9 points combined, to the #15 team in the country and the reining e8 champs...  they should be 6 7, 8 or 9... I mean U89 did you not notice you were the only one who did not rank fisher....

[union89]

I think you are not understanding where I am coming from... Fisher has the best win of the season in the E8 by routing Ithaca..., and their two loses not to the #1 team in the nation were by 9 points combined, to the #15 team in the country and the reining e8 champs...  they should be 6 7, 8 or 9... I mean U89 did you not notice you were the only one who did not rank fisher....

One guy also did not rank Rowan and another guy did not rank Hartwick.  I think those two have a better argument and I haven't heard any complaining from those supporters.

You asked me why I didn't vote for SJF....I gave you what I thought were very valid reasons....reasons that I think are better than, "Well we only lost to MUC by 30 and kept it close against Hartwick at Growney".......since when do you guys start patting yourselves on the back for narrowly losing to Hartwick....

To quote Gro, "Hartwick!?!?!?!  Hartwick!??!!?"

[superman57]

I agree that whoever did not vote for Rowan is on crack.. as is the voter who did not vote for wick... you've given me the reasons that you did not vote for fisher but you've yet to give me who you voted for over fisher and what victories they had that were more impressive than fisher

[union89]

I agree that whoever did not vote for Rowan is on crack.. as is the voter who did not vote for wick... you've given me the reasons that you did not vote for fisher but you've yet to give me who you voted for over fisher and what victories they had that were more impressive than fisher

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what my Poll was....you can do that homework.  I think I've been more than fair to both you and SJF82 in addressing your frustrations with my omission of Fisher.