East Region Fan Poll

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East Region Fan Poll - Week 3 (9/21/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 7 )	2-0	95	1	vs. Kean
2	Alfred( 2 )	3-0	77	4	vs. Springfield
3	Wilkes( 1 )	2-0	63	7	at Christopher Newport
4	Ithaca	2-1	48	6	at Utica
	RPI	2-0	48	8	at WPI
6	Delaware Valley	2-1	47	2	Open Date
7	St. John Fisher	2-1	42	9	at Salisbury
8	Rowan	1-1	39	3	at William Paterson
9	Springfield	2-0	36	10	at Alfred
10	Hobart	1-1	17	NR	at Susquehanna

*The totals are off by 2 points due to a poster picking a team outside the eastern region.  

Others Receiving votes:      
Union   9
Albright   8
Lebanon Valley   6
Montclair State   5
TCNJ   3
Utica   2
Hartwick   2
WPI   1

Dropping out: #5 Union


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (2,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,4,)
Alfred (4,2,4,1,4,3,5,4,5,1,)
Wilkes (1,9,NR,3,2,4,4,8,3,2,)
Ithaca (9,3,3,10,5,9,9,7,2,5,)
RPI (6,4,10,4,NR,2,2,3,NR,9,)
Delaware Valley (3,6,2,7,NR,7,6,6,7,8,)
St. John Fisher (10,7,8,8,3,NR,7,2,6,6,)
Rowan (5,5,5,6,NR,6,8,5,9,NR,)
Springfield (8,10,9,5,10,5,3,9,4,NR,)
Hobart (NR,8,7,NR,8,8,NR,NR,NR,7,)
Union (7,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,6,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
TCNJ (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,8,NR,)
Utica (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,10,)
Hartwick (NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
WPI (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,)

Key Regional Games This Week:

#2 Alfred vs. #9 Springfield
#3 Wilkes @ Christopher Newport
#5 RPI vs. WPI
#7 St. John Fisher @ Salisbury

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Springfield had the wrong number.  THey should have 36 points. 

[labart96]

Re SU's competition Juniata is pretty bad in my opinion.  They are 0-3 and haven't scored ANY points so far if I am not mistaken.  Lyco (who didn't receive any votes) pretty much handled SU as well.

Re the OOR vote - just out of curiousity what team was it?

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The out of region team was Muhlenberg. 

Overall, I think Ithaca is overrated and Union is underrated.  Somehow, Ithaca lost to Union and didn't drop far at all.  However, Union loses and falls right off the map.  I don't really understand this. 

[pumkinattack]

Thanks PG, I was just looking at the number, not adding up the votes.  

Juniata and Moravian are pretty bad, but my point was that so is Becker and Castleton State and the losses (one close, but at home against a team replacing their 4 yr starting QB with a FR, the other on the road against a team that I wasn't personally impressed with, but brought back some key players from a playoff team last year).  

I just think there might be an E8 bias out there since I'd put money on Utica being behind AU, SJF, Springfield and IC at the end of the year.  Not only vis-a-vis the LL, but also versus the NJAC and MAC.  

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Just as a full disclosure, the posters have the following alliances:

4 are "aligned" to an E8 school
3 are "alligned" to a LL school
1 is alligned to an NJAC school (that would be me)
1 is alligned to the NEFC
1 is unalligned, but did have a school in the NJAC that no longer plays football


There is certainly a New York bias here, but there aren't any fans outside of New York that really stepped up other than KS, Boxer, and JU.    I tried to get a MAC poster but no one said they wanted to do it. 

[pumkinattack]

Fair enough.  Obviously five of the ten best teams in the east aren't all in the E8 (not picking a fight here, but this is a stretch even for the most loyal) this year, or probably any year.  Especially when Union beat IC and SJF had to survive UofR who'll be fighting MMA and SLU at the bottom of the LL.  The IC win over Widener was pretty nice bounce back though.

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The out of region team was Muhlenberg. 

Overall, I think Ithaca is overrated and Union is underrated.  Somehow, Ithaca lost to Union and didn't drop far at all.  However, Union loses and falls right off the map.  I don't really understand this. 

Union is a tough one. dlip dropped them out because after watching the game against the Mules U just did not play like a team that should be in the top ten. dlip believes that they are/were underated and definitely have the talent to eventually be in the top # 3 in the region BUT not until they show some consistency. Ithaca and Muhlenburg were two completely different games because Union looked like two completely different teams. Honestly in dlip's opinion he didn't even recognize the Dutch on Saturday (he is not saying this because he is pissed from the L). For dlip to put the U back in the mix they must prove to him they are for real more than once. IC dropped so much because they came into U with a #8 national ranking and lost to a team that was not recieving votes in the national poll. U needs to show consistency and needs to build an identity. Until they do so, even with dlip bleeding Garnet and unconditionally supporting them, they will not, in dlips opinion, enter the top 10.

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This weekend we find out if Springfield is for real. dlip has been saying this since the beginning (he will eat crow if he is wrong) but the Pride is back in 09. Carter and Co have shown (dlip knows against inferior competition) the ability to run this offense with experience and effectiveness and we all know what that means for opponents; triple option ****ing madness. dlip feels the Pride D has made strides and will step up and support the O's numbers.

[labart96]

Fair enough.  Obviously five of the ten best teams in the east aren't all in the E8 (not picking a fight here, but this is a stretch even for the most loyal) this year, or probably any year.  Especially when Union beat IC and SJF had to survive UofR who'll be fighting MMA and SLU at the bottom of the LL.  The IC win over Widener was pretty nice bounce back though.

I think the Roch-SJF score is a bit misleading.  IMO the Cards took their foot off the pedal after being up 35-13 at the start of the 4th qtr.  That said you do have to give the Jackets some credit for the comeback. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Fair enough.  Obviously five of the ten best teams in the east aren't all in the E8 (not picking a fight here, but this is a stretch even for the most loyal) this year, or probably any year.  Especially when Union beat IC and SJF had to survive UofR who'll be fighting MMA and SLU at the bottom of the LL.  The IC win over Widener was pretty nice bounce back though.

Dont we say this every year?

UR always plays SJF close, hell when SJF went to the Semi's and played MUC tough in 2006 the Courage Bowl SJF was only leading UR 16-10 with 10 minutes left in the 4th QTR...

SJF was ahead by 22 midway through the 3rd quarter this year, they decided to take out their QB and RB then turned the ball over twice to allow UR to get within 8.  Then they put him back in after sitting almost an entire quarter and turn it over again. It was a bit premature and it almost came back to bite them hard in the ass...

If they don't take out their QB until midway through the 4th it's a very decisive win...

[theoriginalupstate]

Fair enough.  Obviously five of the ten best teams in the east aren't all in the E8 (not picking a fight here, but this is a stretch even for the most loyal) this year, or probably any year.  Especially when Union beat IC and SJF had to survive UofR who'll be fighting MMA and SLU at the bottom of the LL.  The IC win over Widener was pretty nice bounce back though.

I think the Roch-SJF score is a bit misleading.  IMO the Cards took their foot off the pedal after being up 35-13 at the start of the 4th qtr.  That said you do have to give the Jackets some credit for the comeback. 

The score is always misleading in this game.  When Meyers ran for 380+ it was only a 27-17 game, the game was never in doubt on our end but we never put them away on the scoreboard. 

Absolutely you have to give UR credit, they took advantage of three turnovers and almost tied the game.  They never gave up despite being down 22 in the 3rd. 

[pumkinattack]

I've heard fisher people talk about a rivalry for a handful of years, but I don't know, Hobart has played them 101 times since 1892, has a trophy that is far older and is considered by both the primary rivalry as far as I've ever known.  We blasted them a number of times in rivalry games in the 90's when I was there and Geneva's only about 40 minutes to UofR's campus. 

I guess I just don't buy the "it's a rivarly and that justifies a close game" arugment, plus IC and Cortland have had their share of blowouts, as have, I believe, RPI-Union.

On the fact that UofR was put away and came back, that may be true, but it was a few inches from being a tie game on a just missed two point conversion. 

All this wasn't a critique of SJF, but rather that to have five teams from the E8 in the eastern top ten is questionable.  One or more of them shouldn't and won't be there at the end of the year.  I believe Fisher will be there, but I know nothing about them based on a blowout loss to MUC, blowout win over Buff St. and nearly escaping UofR who got destroyed by Case Western.

[theoriginalupstate]

I've heard fisher people talk about a rivalry for a handful of years, but I don't know, Hobart has played them 101 times since 1892, has a trophy that is far older and is considered by both the primary rivalry as far as I've ever known.  We blasted them a number of times in rivalry games in the 90's when I was there and Geneva's only about 40 minutes to UofR's campus. 

I guess I just don't buy the "it's a rivarly and that justifies a close game" arugment, plus IC and Cortland have had their share of blowouts, as have, I believe, RPI-Union.

On the fact that UofR was put away and came back, that may be true, but it was a few inches from being a tie game on a just missed two point conversion. 

All this wasn't a critique of SJF, but rather that to have five teams from the E8 in the eastern top ten is questionable.  One or more of them shouldn't and won't be there at the end of the year.  I believe Fisher will be there, but I know nothing about them based on a blowout loss to MUC, blowout win over Buff St. and nearly escaping UofR who got destroyed by Case Western.

I was at the 2007 Bart and UR game and the atmosphere is no where near what it is for the Courage Bowl.  That's nice that you've played them 100+ times but it didn't feel like it.  UR and SJF are 10 minutes apart, they are two very different schools in terms of students and they genuinely hate each other.  Hell Pedro Sosa, UR's TE said that "Winning in my senior year would definitely be a milestone". 

The UR/SJF game isn't a historic rivalry, it's a bitter rivalry...