East Region Fan Poll

[Boxer7806]

My poll this week was all over the place from last week. Teams I had at the bottom of my rankings made some big jumps.

[SJFF82]

#3 RPI, loses at home to U of R 16-10. 

Well hopefully now the RPI fans won't be so vocal about the "lack of respect" their team is getting this year. 

Its funny how UR plays SJF tough every year....many posters point to the score as a potential sign of SJF weakness....then UR usually plays pretty decent in the LL....then they knock of RPI....then SJF gets ridiculed for RPI's loss to UR....Now that is some twisted logic LLPP style.

[SJFF82]

RPI:Searching for respect

is to

SJF:Yearns to be called a 'national power'


See ya in the ECAC's cardinal fans!

RPI is searching for the stinger....hint....put some vinegar on it.

YELLOW-JACKETS!!!

[pumkinattack]

#3 RPI, loses at home to U of R 16-10. 

Well hopefully now the RPI fans won't be so vocal about the "lack of respect" their team is getting this year. 

Its funny how UR plays SJF tough every year....many posters point to the score as a potential sign of SJF weakness....then UR usually plays pretty decent in the LL....then they knock of RPI....then SJF gets ridiculed for RPI's loss to UR....Now that is some twisted logic LLPP style.

Or a lack of logic here.  Or reading fundamentals.  Who is knocking "SJF" for RPI's loss to UofR?  In fact, you're quoting a SJF supporter talking trash about RPI supporter, posters, not even the team.  Now that's some twisted SJFPP logic. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Yeah wasn't really talking trash pumkin, it just got old listening to that particular mantra by RPI fans about the lack of respect they were getting this year....people kept saying they hadn't played anybody, and they still haven't, so i was just saying now that they have lost let's hope that particular battle cry will now go by the wayside.  I like RPI and the LL guys, so don't get me confused with some guy who does nothing but take cheap shots all day everyday.   

[AUPepBand]

What a wild weekend as four of the six undefeated East Region teams who are seeking NCAA berths take their first loss, leaving only two unbeatens that just happen to be the first two teams listed alphabetically in the East Region....
Albright and Alfred.

It appears to Pep that the East Region will import its #1 seed either from the South (Wesley) or from the North (Mt. Union) as Pep does not see Albright or Alfred going through their respective conferences with their respective records unscathed.

Stay tuned.... 

On Saxon Warriors

[pumkinattack]

Fair enough (here's a +k).  There's an inside the huddLLe podcast going on each sunday night where it's discussed.  RT tends to support the theory that it's a positive.  I'm on the other side, but only because I've seen it hurt them against Bart in week 4 (1st LL game) a couple of years, where they were a much improved team at the end of the year.  I suspect this could have happened this year with U of R, who's played a tough early season schedule (they seem to always play it tough, at least when the UAA competition is strong and/or JHU is good) who had simply faced much tougher competition.  

That being said, the point that RPI should be dismissed because they hadn't played anyone didn't really hold water this year because there was no team that was undefeated against top shelf competition before this week.  Everyone had a flaw, or hadn't distiguished themselves (IC loss to Union, SJF loss to Salisbury meaning no really good wins thus far - U of R is still 1-3, AU not playing anyone we know to be good, Cortland loss, MSU loss, Rowan loss, Hobart's anemic offense, DelVal's loss to Wesley, etc.).  RPI will still be a 6-8 win team this year I would suspect.  

[pumkinattack]

What about a CC champ coming here, especially if Dickinson goes undefeated?  Could they slip in to a #1 seed in the east?  That might be the best case scenario for the East? 

[Jonny Utah]

What about a CC champ coming here, especially if Dickinson goes undefeated?  Could they slip in to a #1 seed in the east?  That might be the best case scenario for the East?  

I still like seeing Mt. Union in the east.  Although eastern teams have not beaten Mt. Union yet, I think having them in the east gives eastern teams more of a chance to knock them off.  I also think the east has done pretty well against them for the most part, especially seeing that the east has been considered "weak" the last 5 years or so.  The only negative by having Mt. Union in the east is that the chance of seeing an east team in the Stagg Bowl is much lower.

But I could see Dickinson in the east.  Or even a pool C bid from that conference as well.

Has anyone looked at Wesley's schedule?  Very strange:

Christopher Newport •  W, 34-0    
Sep. 12  7:00 PM  at North Greenville  W, 28-3    
Sep. 19  1:00 PM  at Delaware Valley •  W, 31-13    
Sep. 26  1:00 PM  at LaGrange •  W, 56-7    
Oct. 3  1:00 PM  Frostburg State * •  W, 44-19    
Oct. 17  1:00 PM  at Newport News *      
Oct. 24  1:00 PM  Webber Int'l      
Oct. 31  1:00 PM  Salisbury * •      
Nov. 7  1:00 PM  Lake Erie      
Nov. 14  1:00 PM  Ohio Dominican  

What happens to those guys if they go undefeated?  Only 6 d3 games on that schedule.

And I just did my top 10 teams in the east.  Still early to say who the clear cut best teams are, but I think you can break them down into tiers and rank all the teams in each tier however you want.  

tier 1
-Alfred
-Albright
-Del Val

tier 2
Entire LL except for St. Lawrence
Entire E8 except for Alfred
Entire MAC except for FDU and Kings
Kean
Cortland
Rowan
Montclair
TCNJ

tier 3
St. Lawrence
FDU
Kings
Brockport
Buff St.
Morrisville
West Conn
William Patterson

Id put all the NEFC teams in tier 3 for right now.  Im sure 2-3 are tier 2 teams but we never know about those birds untill the end of the season.

And just by looking back, I think there is a much bigger gap between the second and third tier than there is between the first and second.

[union89]

What about a CC champ coming here, especially if Dickinson goes undefeated?  Could they slip in to a #1 seed in the east?  That might be the best case scenario for the East?  

I still like seeing Mt. Union in the east.  Although eastern teams have not beaten Mt. Union yet, I think having them in the east gives eastern teams more of a chance to knock them off.  I also think the east has done pretty well against them for the most part, especially seeing that the east has been considered "weak" the last 5 years or so.  The only negative by having Mt. Union in the east is that the chance of seeing an east team in the Stagg Bowl is much lower.

But I could see Dickinson in the east.  Or even a pool C bid from that conference as well.

Has anyone looked at Wesley's schedule?  Very strange:

Christopher Newport •  W, 34-0    
Sep. 12  7:00 PM  at North Greenville  W, 28-3    
Sep. 19  1:00 PM  at Delaware Valley •  W, 31-13    
Sep. 26  1:00 PM  at LaGrange •  W, 56-7    
Oct. 3  1:00 PM  Frostburg State * •  W, 44-19    
Oct. 17  1:00 PM  at Newport News *      
Oct. 24  1:00 PM  Webber Int'l      
Oct. 31  1:00 PM  Salisbury * •      
Nov. 7  1:00 PM  Lake Erie      
Nov. 14  1:00 PM  Ohio Dominican  

What happens to those guys if they go undefeated?  Only 6 d3 games on that schedule.

And I just did my top 10 teams in the east.  Still early to say who the clear cut best teams are, but I think you can break them down into tiers and rank all the teams in each tier however you want.  

tier 1
-Alfred
-Albright
-Del Val

tier 2
Entire LL except for St. Lawrence
Entire E8 except for Alfred
Entire MAC except for FDU and Kings
Kean
Cortland
Rowan
Montclair
TCNJ

tier 3
St. Lawrence
FDU
Kings
Brockport
Buff St.
Morrisville
West Conn
William Patterson

Id put all the NEFC teams in tier 3 for right now.  Im sure 2-3 are tier 2 teams but we never know about those birds untill the end of the season.

And just by looking back, I think there is a much bigger gap between the second and third tier than there is between the first and second.

I totally agree with your enjoyment of having Mount in the East.....I honestly hope it continues as well.....

Your tiers though seemed pretty useless (maybe that was your point)....you could have simply stated 90% of the teams still have a shot at the post season.  I would drop Alfred down to Tier 2 as well.......

[Jonny Utah]

Yea I was kind of just sorting out the teams on paper as I thought out the top 10 teams in the east.

But there were a few things I thought out in my head:

-Union has to be ranked over Ithaca
-Rochester cannot be ranked with 3 losses
-SJF will be ranked over RPI with common opponent Rochester
-I have Alfred in that top tier now, only because they smoked Springfield who smoked Utica.  Utica gave IC and RPI a good game.
-Hartwick may need to be in the playoff discussion
-NJAC teams have not really done anything except beat the crappy teams in the conference, and lost to the top teams once.

[AUPepBand]

What about a CC champ coming here, especially if Dickinson goes undefeated?  Could they slip in to a #1 seed in the east?  That might be the best case scenario for the East? 

Pep is not sure Dickinson will get by both Johns Hopkins and Muhlenberg. How did Dickinson yield 40+ points to both Grove City and Franklin & Marshall?

[pumkinattack]

Hopkins should be tough, I'm not convinced they will have problems with Muhlenburg.  Grove City's put up a lot of pts this year (40 against CMU also) and based on the little I know F&M had brought back a lot of talent on O.  I'm not saying they are a top 10 team or anything, but there's precedent with Muhlenburg being sent East in the past and you could have three undefeated teams in the south (MHB, Wesley and, potentially a CC school).  If that's the case and you've got someone as close as MUC to move from that region and no one else in the North makes a more compelling case for a 1 seed, it might actually make sense to move one of the south undefeateds to reward going undefeated. 

[theoriginalupstate]

I've got 3 each from the E8, NJAC and MAC as well as 1 from the LL...

[maxpower]

Yea I was kind of just sorting out the teams on paper as I thought out the top 10 teams in the east.

But there were a few things I thought out in my head:

-Union has to be ranked over Ithaca
-Rochester cannot be ranked with 3 losses
-SJF will be ranked over RPI with common opponent Rochester
-I have Alfred in that top tier now, only because they smoked Springfield who smoked Utica.  Utica gave IC and RPI a good game.
-Hartwick may need to be in the playoff discussion
-NJAC teams have not really done anything except beat the crappy teams in the conference, and lost to the top teams once.

Why? They may have given ithaca a game, but everything else you say indicates Ithaca ain't that good....